Proof #1 that ritvikvada is wrong

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ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA

 

PAMHO Ramakanta das

 

Ramakanta said,

 

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According to my definition, yes, because an interactive communication was

possible.

 

 

We are specifically speaking about DIKSA and how it is possible without

Srila Prabhupada's presence! And according to Srila Prabhupada it is.

 

FACT: He was NOT there physically to perform the ceremony.

 

What you have been arguing is that He MUST be there.

 

Interactive communication is something different. And according to Srila

Prabhupada we can still have active communication with Him even if He is not

there!

So there goes that theory out the window!

 

Disciple " I feel so far away from you, you know when your not here."

 

Srila Prabhupada " Oh-- that you should not think. There are two

conceptions: the physical conception and the vibration conception. So the

physical conception is temporary. The vibration conception is eternal. Just

like we are enjoying or we are relishing the vibration of Krishna's

teachings. So by vibration He is present. As soon as we chant Hare Krishna

or chant Bhagavad gita or Bhagavata, He is present immedietely by His

vibration. He's Absolute. Therefore try to remember His words of

instruction-- you'll not feel separation. You'll feel that He is with you.

So we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence.

That is real association." (Questions and answers following a lecture,

August 18, 1968, Montreal)

 

So here we can see that the interactive communication of VIBRATION is

superior to physical interactive communication (as you have put it)

 

 

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> So this means that Srila Prabhupada didn't do what you have quoted from

> the Hari- Bhakti -Vilasa.

 

If you want to interpret Srila Prabhupada's statement in that way, then what

can I do?

 

 

This is not my interperatation. This is a FACT it happened Srila Prabhupada

DID NOT follow what you have quoted in Hari Bhakti Vilas!

 

 

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Srila Prabhupada IS THE CURRENT LINK and is approachable!

 

No-one has yet been able to tell me how I can approach Srila Prabhupada

 

 

I'll tell you now!! Go to your local Temple President tell him you would

like to be initiated! (assuming you have been following for at least six

months).

Now; the Temple President (IF HE IS NOT A CROOK OR A CHEATER) will recommend

you to be initiated by someone who is currently representing Srila

Prabhupada in your area!

After this you are a disciple of Srila Prabhupada! (NO ONE ELSE)

 

THIS IS WHAT SRILA PRABHUPADA ORDERED!

 

If you choose to accept anything less that's your problem!

 

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Oh, in 1968 the physical presence was required, but not after 1973.

When exactly was the change?

 

 

Actually I believe the change started to occur in 1973 I dont know of any

Ritvik initiations before this.

See the letter I posted in my previous post, thats when Srila Prabhupada

started to introduce this into Iskcon.

Then if you read the July 9th letter you will see that it became established

Iskcon policy!

 

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"...One has to associate with liberated persons NOT DIRECTLY PHYSICALLY,

> but by understanding, through philosophy and logic..."(Srimad-Bhagavatam

> 3.31.48, Purport)

 

Also this does not refer to diksa.

 

 

Yes perhaps this is Siksa, but it is proof that Srila Prabhupada is

AVAILABLE! You have been trying to say that He isn't!!

 

 

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Mark