Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Dear Bhakta Johnny, PAMHO. AGTSP! > RAMAKANTA PLEASE READ IT IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL SAY > WHO IS ACARYA. Was that conversation recorded on the tape that IRM consideres as tampered with? > Srila Prabhupada: > " you become acarya. You become authorised.' I am waiting for that. > YouYes. I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, 'Now become, > all, acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete." I have following questions: Does the guru have to be physical present to give the autorization? Can it be given in writing? For example in a book? Can the training be completed after Srila Prabhupada departed? (Krishnakant quoted a lot of statements that confirm that this is possible). > "I shall produce some gurus." Now did he produce some gurus, or did he say something incorrect? > DID SRILA PRABHUPADA SAY/AUTHORIZE ANYONE RAMAKANTA???? Yes. But I know that you don't accept that. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 My dear Krishna Priya, PAMHO. AGTSP. RAMAKANTA PLEASE READ IT IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT > SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL SAY > WHO IS ACARYA. DID HE SAY??? NO HE DID NOT. HE > AGREED WITH TAMALA THAT NONE > OF "US" ARE QUALIFIED. > > TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT MATE PRABHUPADA DID NOT SAY, AND > THATS WHAT I WOULD > ACCEPT, NOT YOUR NO OBJECTION VOTE RUBBER STAMP GBC > APPROVED GURU. NO THANKS > > " you become acarya. You become authorised.' I am > waiting for that. YouYes. > I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, > '........ > > DID SRILA PRABHUPADA SAY/AUTHORIZE ANYONE > RAMAKANTA???? > > I WILL BE YOUR MOUTHPIECE THIS TIME: NO NO NO HE DID > NOT > > END OF THE GBC GURU FARCE Please provide evidence or letter from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta that Srila Prabhupada was authorized to initiate disciples. Also, please provide evidence or letter that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was authorized to initiate disciples. Yours in the service of Sri Guru and Gauranga! Mahashakti dasa --- Krishna Priya <Krishna.Priya (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > <<<<<<Dear Bhakta Johnny, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > > in fact there is plenty of evidence that srila > prabhupada didnt consider > > anyone of his disciples qualified for permission > in this field. > > Yet another one who says that Srila Prabhupada's > mission was a failure. > > > and its admirably demonstrated that no one has > received permission from > > prabhupada otherwise how comes so many of them fly > away from the > > principles. > > Please tell us what you would accept as an > authorization or permission. > > ys Ramakanta dasa >>>>>. > > > > > ROOM CONVERSATION - APRIL 22, 1977, BOMBAY > > Srila Prabhupada: > "I told him that 'You cannot do so independent. You > are doing nice, but not > to do in the magazine.' (Pause) People complained > against Hansadutta. Did > you know that?" > > Tamala Krsna: > "I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've > heard general..." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "In Germany. In Germany." > > Tamala Krsna: > "The devotees there." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "So many complaints." > > Tamala Krsna: > "Therefore, change is good." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "You become guru, but you must be qualified first of > all. Then you become. > > Tamala Krsna: > "Oh, that kind of complaint was there." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "Did you know that?" > > Tamala Krsna: > "Yeah, I heard that, yeah." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "What is the use of producing some rascal guru?" > > Tamala Krsna: > "Well, I have studied myself and all of your > disciples, and it's a clear > fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot > be guru. Maybe one day > it may be possible." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "Hmm!" > > Tamala Krsna: > "...but not now." > > Srila Prabhupada: > " you become acarya. You become authorised.' I am > waiting for that. YouYes. > I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, > 'Now become, all, > acarya. I retire completely. But the training must > be complete." > > Tamala Krsna: > "The process of purification must be there." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "Oh yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants. > amara ajnaya guru hana. > You become guru. But be qualified. (Laughs) Little > thing, strictly > follower." > > Tamala Krsna: > "No rubber stamp." > > Srila Prabhupada: > "Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it > will not be effective. > Just see our Gaudiya Math. Everyone wanted to become > guru, and a small > temple and guru. What kind of guru? No publication, > no preaching, simply > bring some foodstuff...My Guru Maharaja used to say, > 'Joint mess, a place > for eating and sleeping." > > > RAMAKANTA PLEASE READ IT IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT > SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL SAY > WHO IS ACARYA. DID HE SAY??? NO HE DID NOT. HE > AGREED WITH TAMALA THAT NONE > OF "US" ARE QUALIFIED. > > TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT MATE PRABHUPADA DID NOT SAY, AND > THATS WHAT I WOULD > ACCEPT, NOT YOUR NO OBJECTION VOTE RUBBER STAMP GBC > APPROVED GURU. NO THANKS > > " you become acarya. You become authorised.' I am > waiting for that. YouYes. > I shall produce some gurus. I shall say who is guru, > '........ > > DID SRILA PRABHUPADA SAY/AUTHORIZE ANYONE > RAMAKANTA???? > > I WILL BE YOUR MOUTHPIECE THIS TIME: NO NO NO HE DID > NOT > > END OF THE GBC GURU FARCE > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email > to: > Initiations.in.ISKCON-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > The all-new My - What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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