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Dear Prabhu's and Maharaja

 

We are not saying anywhere that one should not take Srimad-Bhagavatam

literally "as it is", nor are we suggesting that one should accept them as

simply allegorical stories that are open to be interpreted in any

non-literal way that one can conjure up in one`s imagination.

 

Rather we are convinced that many persons do not understand the figures in

Srimad Bhagavatam and are not

willing to study this subject matter thoroughly, like Sadaputa Prabhu did.

All we

wanted to do is to defend Sadaputa and his books, "Vedic Cosmology" and

"Sacred Universe". We are convinced, like Sadaputa that the Bhagavatam

gives a precise description of the universe. We would appreciate it if you

would kindly explain the given qoute. ("“Krishna said, ‘Your particular

universe has a diameter of four billion miles; therefore it is the smallest

of all the universes. Consequently you have only four heads.

PURPORT

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, one of the greatest astrologers of

his time, gives information from the Siddhanta-siromani that this universe

measures 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles. This is the circumference of this

universe. According to some, this is only half the circumference.

(Madhya 21.84)") We can not just cut out the Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, and

refer only to Srimad Bhagavatam. As Prabhupada said, Sri Caitanya

Cartitamrta is post graduate study. We should not substract the statements

from Sri Caitanya Cartitamrta, because it suits our point of view. We

should accept Prabhupada`s books "As it is" and not adding or

substracting anything.

 

Your servants Gauranga Premananda das and Madhu Gopal das

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Dear Gauranga Premananda Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

You have said: "We are not saying anywhere that one should not take

Srimad-Bhagavatam literally "as it is", nor are we suggesting that one

should accept them as simply allegorical stories that are open to be

interpreted in any non-literal way that one can conjure up in one`s

imagination."

 

However you are supporting Sadaputa Prabhu and this is EXACTLY what he has

done. His whole presentation is that we should not take the Bhagavatam

literally, rather we should interpret it to make it fit in with the

"correct" understanding of modern science. And to this end he has conjured

up various non-literal explanations of the Bhagavatam from his imagination.

(if not from his imagination where do you suggest his non-literal

interpretations have come from?)

 

You go on to say: "Rather we are convinced that many persons do not

understand the figures in Srimad Bhagavatam...."

 

This discussion is NOT about the figures in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The

figure you are talking about is not even in the Srimad-Bhagavatam!!! The

point we are discussing is should we accept the Bhagavatam description AS IT

IS or should we interpret it using our imagination to make it appear to

agree with the current ideas of modern science.

 

That is what Sadaputa has done in his most recent book. The result of all

his non-literal interpretations is to make the Bhagavatam agree with modern

science. His premise is modern science is correct and we will look silly if

we say anything else. That is not Prabhupada's opinion and as followers of

Srila Prabhupada we can not present these ideas in Prabhupada's Temple of

the Vedic Planetarium. That would be blasphemy.

 

I have discussed this further in my reply to your other letter included

below.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

 

 

Dear Gauranga Premananda Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada!

 

This is not at all a satisfactory reply.

 

The main point I made is Danavir Maharaja's book is not about the size of

the universe. It is about the principle that we should accept the Bhagavatam

as a literal, actual description of the universe. Not that we should make

many non-literal interpretations out of our imagination to try and make it

appear that the Bhagavatam agrees with the "correct" view of modern science.

 

So you should reply to this point. Either you should support your argument

that we should make many non-literal interpretations of the Bhagavatam and

present the Bhagavatam "as Sadaputa interprets it to be from his

imagination" rather than the Bhagavatam As It Is [as given to us by Srila

Prabhupada]. Or, admit that it is Srila Prabhupada's desire and therefore we

are obliged to present the Bhagavatam "As It Is" in the Temple of the Vedic

Planetarium.

 

You are supporting Sadaputa Prabhu who accepts modern science as being

correct and sees it as being important that the Vedic descriptions somehow

support the conclusions of modern science.

 

This is not Srila Prabhupada's opinion. Prabhupada's opinion is that the

modern scientists are no better than frogs in a well. The example is that

one frog has lived in a well for his whole life, while another frog has

traveled outside the well and seen so many things, including the Atlantic

Ocean. So the well-traveled frog is trying to explain the Atlantic Ocean to

his frog friend who has never been out of the well. He is saying, "It is

huge!" But for the "frog in the well" his well is the whole universe. So he

has to compare everything with his experience in the well. So he is

thinking, "perhaps it is twice as big as my well..." in this way he can go

on trying to understand the Atlantic Ocean in terms of the universe as he

knows it (his well) but he can never conceive of the Atlantic Ocean at all.

Similarly modern science, with its frog-in-the-well like knowledge of the

universe can never understand the universe. Because they can not see it.

What can the frog see out of the well of the world? Very little. Sometimes a

bit of blue sky, sometimes a cloud, sometimes he may even see the sun or

some stars. Occasionally the moon may pass over the opening of his well. and

even sometimes he may hear the farmers' tractor plowing the fields.

Sometimes something may fall into the well. Just imagine what he would think

if some children were playing and they dropped a ball in his well. How would

he understand what was going on. How would he explain that ball falling into

his universe??? You can be sure our Dr. Frog Ph.D. would come up with a

perfectly good scientific explanation. But what does he know? How can he

know???

 

So modern science with their imperfect senses, their cheating propensity,

all the mistakes they make and the problem that they accept so many things

to be facts which are not facts at all makes their conclusions very faulty.

The whole system of modern astronomy is based on so many assumptions which

have no proof. It is like a castle built on sand, it has no foundation. It

is like a very grand mathematical calculation which starts with an error. No

matter how wonderful the calculation, the result will be incorrect. As it is

based on an incorrect assumption...

 

"That is our basic principle of knowledge, that every one of us is

defective. So you cannot give us complete knowledge. It is not possible. We

must receive knowledge from the perfect without defects." (Srila Prabhupada

Conversation 30 Jan, 1977)

 

Srila Bhaktsiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura was a great astrologer. And he

translated the Suriya Siddhanta as a great astrologer. But it is not the

authority for the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium. That authority is Srila

Prabhupada's Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srila Bhaktsiddhanta's translation of Surya

Siddhanta is an authorative translation. Prabhupada said if it is available

we should get it. He said that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was a great authority

on the movements of the sun. But there are many different systems of

astronomy in India contempory to the Surya-siddhanta. They are different

systems, different predictive models which are used for different purposes.

But we are interested in the Bhagavatam which is not just a different

predictive model, but it is a real description of how the mechanics of the

universe work from a perfect person who has perfect knowledge. That is the

main point we have to get across in this Temple of the Vedic Planetarium.

That real knowledge can only come from a perfect person who actually has

that perfect knowledge.

 

Neither you nor Sadaputa Prabhu seem to accept the authority of Srila

Prabhupada's Bhagavatam. That is a very serious problem.

 

So it seems that you do not agree with what I have written but you have give

no reason why you disagree nor have you shown how anything I have written is

not correct.

 

So if you have any objections then please explain them clearly and support

them from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

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Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

We read your reply.

What is your explanation on the CC. madhya lila 21.84 and purport.

The statement: " According to some, this is only half the circumference"

This would make 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles till Lokaloka mountain.

This is in one sense the universe: beyond Lokaloka mountain is no sunlight

and living entities.

This gives respectabe figures.

Srila Prabhupada said that western scientists have partial knowledge.

(see our e-mail exchanges with HH Danavir Maharaja)

 

"Krishna said:

Your particular universe has a diameter of four billion miles; therefore it

is the smallest of all the universes. Consequently you have only four heads.

PURPORT

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, one of the greatest astrologers of

his time, gives information from the Siddhanta-siromani that this universe

measures 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles. This is the circumference of this

universe. According to some, this is only half the circumference.

(Madhya 21.84)"

 

ys: Gauranga Premananda das and Madhu Gopal das

 

 

YOU WROTE:

 

 

You have said: "We are not saying anywhere that one should not take

Srimad-Bhagavatam literally "as it is", nor are we suggesting that one

should accept them as simply allegorical stories that are open to be

interpreted in any non-literal way that one can conjure up in one`s

imagination."

 

However you are supporting Sadaputa Prabhu and this is EXACTLY what he has

done. His whole presentation is that we should not take the Bhagavatam

literally, rather we should interpret it to make it fit in with the

"correct" understanding of modern science. And to this end he has conjured

up various non-literal explanations of the Bhagavatam from his imagination.

(if not from his imagination where do you suggest his non-literal

interpretations have come from?)

 

You go on to say: "Rather we are convinced that many persons do not

understand the figures in Srimad Bhagavatam...."

 

This discussion is NOT about the figures in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The

figure you are talking about is not even in the Srimad-Bhagavatam!!! The

point we are discussing is should we accept the Bhagavatam description AS IT

IS or should we interpret it using our imagination to make it appear to

agree with the current ideas of modern science.

 

That is what Sadaputa has done in his most recent book. The result of all

his non-literal interpretations is to make the Bhagavatam agree with modern

science. His premise is modern science is correct and we will look silly if

we say anything else. That is not Prabhupada's opinion and as followers of

Srila Prabhupada we can not present these ideas in Prabhupada's Temple of

the Vedic Planetarium. That would be blasphemy.

 

I have discussed this further in my reply to your other letter included

below.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

 

 

Dear Gauranga Premananda Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada!

 

This is not at all a satisfactory reply.

 

The main point I made is Danavir Maharaja's book is not about the size of

the universe. It is about the principle that we should accept the Bhagavatam

as a literal, actual description of the universe. Not that we should make

many non-literal interpretations out of our imagination to try and make it

appear that the Bhagavatam agrees with the "correct" view of modern science.

 

So you should reply to this point. Either you should support your argument

that we should make many non-literal interpretations of the Bhagavatam and

present the Bhagavatam "as Sadaputa interprets it to be from his

imagination" rather than the Bhagavatam As It Is [as given to us by Srila

Prabhupada]. Or, admit that it is Srila Prabhupada's desire and therefore we

are obliged to present the Bhagavatam "As It Is" in the Temple of the Vedic

Planetarium.

 

You are supporting Sadaputa Prabhu who accepts modern science as being

correct and sees it as being important that the Vedic descriptions somehow

support the conclusions of modern science.

 

This is not Srila Prabhupada's opinion. Prabhupada's opinion is that the

modern scientists are no better than frogs in a well. The example is that

one frog has lived in a well for his whole life, while another frog has

traveled outside the well and seen so many things, including the Atlantic

Ocean. So the well-traveled frog is trying to explain the Atlantic Ocean to

his frog friend who has never been out of the well. He is saying, "It is

huge!" But for the "frog in the well" his well is the whole universe. So he

has to compare everything with his experience in the well. So he is

thinking, "perhaps it is twice as big as my well..." in this way he can go

on trying to understand the Atlantic Ocean in terms of the universe as he

knows it (his well) but he can never conceive of the Atlantic Ocean at all.

Similarly modern science, with its frog-in-the-well like knowledge of the

universe can never understand the universe. Because they can not see it.

What can the frog see out of the well of the world? Very little. Sometimes a

bit of blue sky, sometimes a cloud, sometimes he may even see the sun or

some stars. Occasionally the moon may pass over the opening of his well. and

even sometimes he may hear the farmers' tractor plowing the fields.

Sometimes something may fall into the well. Just imagine what he would think

if some children were playing and they dropped a ball in his well. How would

he understand what was going on. How would he explain that ball falling into

his universe??? You can be sure our Dr. Frog Ph.D. would come up with a

perfectly good scientific explanation. But what does he know? How can he

know???

 

So modern science with their imperfect senses, their cheating propensity,

all the mistakes they make and the problem that they accept so many things

to be facts which are not facts at all makes their conclusions very faulty.

The whole system of modern astronomy is based on so many assumptions which

have no proof. It is like a castle built on sand, it has no foundation. It

is like a very grand mathematical calculation which starts with an error. No

matter how wonderful the calculation, the result will be incorrect. As it is

based on an incorrect assumption...

 

"That is our basic principle of knowledge, that every one of us is

defective. So you cannot give us complete knowledge. It is not possible. We

must receive knowledge from the perfect without defects." (Srila Prabhupada

Conversation 30 Jan, 1977)

 

Srila Bhaktsiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura was a great astrologer. And he

translated the Suriya Siddhanta as a great astrologer. But it is not the

authority for the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium. That authority is Srila

Prabhupada's Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srila Bhaktsiddhanta's translation of Surya

Siddhanta is an authorative translation. Prabhupada said if it is available

we should get it. He said that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was a great authority

on the movements of the sun. But there are many different systems of

astronomy in India contempory to the Surya-siddhanta. They are different

systems, different predictive models which are used for different purposes.

But we are interested in the Bhagavatam which is not just a different

predictive model, but it is a real description of how the mechanics of the

universe work from a perfect person who has perfect knowledge. That is the

main point we have to get across in this Temple of the Vedic Planetarium.

That real knowledge can only come from a perfect person who actually has

that perfect knowledge.

 

Neither you nor Sadaputa Prabhu seem to accept the authority of Srila

Prabhupada's Bhagavatam. That is a very serious problem.

 

So it seems that you do not agree with what I have written but you have give

no reason why you disagree nor have you shown how anything I have written is

not correct.

 

So if you have any objections then please explain them clearly and support

them from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

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Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada!

 

Our comments are in xxx.........xxx

 

 

YOU WROTE

 

I think you need to read my reply again. This discussion has nothing

whatsoever to do with 18,712,069,200,000,000.

 

 

 

xxxHow to explain the facts and figures in relation to your/ the theoryxxx

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

I am convinced that the fifth canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam is giving the

actual description of the universe. We can not understand it at the moment.

That is our limitation, that is our conditioning.

 

 

 

 

xxx How are you convinced if you cannot understand- blindly convinced.

How are we going to understand it. By somewhere doing interpretation. That

is advised if things are not clear; you say "I don't understand"

 

"Commentary or interpretation required when things are not very clear. Then

you can suggest, “The meaning may be like this.” But when the things are

clear, why should you comment? There is no necessity of comment. Just like,

for example—this is also from Sanskrit scholar’s example—that ga‰g€yaˆ

ghoapalli. Ga‰g€yam: “On the Ganges there is a neighborhood which is known

as Ghoapalli.” Now, this statement is in your front. So one may question

that “The river Ganges is water. How there can be a neighborhood which is

known as Ghoapalli? On the water how there can be a quarter or neighborhood

of human habitation?” You can question that. Ga‰g€yaˆ ghoapalli. Then the

interpretation should be, “No, not on the Ganges. ‘On the Ganges’ means ‘on

the bank of the Ganges.’ ” This interpretation is nice. When one cannot

understand clearly, there is interpretation.

 

Town Hall Lecture

Auckland, April 14, 1972

 

Can you think of an interpretation. How can you build a planetarium if you

"cannot understand the fifth canto of Srimad Bhagavatam" (your words) or the

model which you want to build xxx

 

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

So I am hoping that you will write back admitting that yes, we do have to

accept the Srimad-Bhagavatam AS IT IS,

 

 

 

 

xxxTrue. but how to understand it and yes the scientists are foolsxxx

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

modern science makes so many mistakes, builds theories

on assumptions that are false, has imperfect senses and of course they cheat

SO MUCH to try to "prove" their pet theories. You believe in the big bang

and the red shift, not in Prabhupada and Krishna.

 

 

xxxWho believes big bang, red shift? xxx

 

 

 

xxx We disagree. Now who is Srila Prabhupada's representative to solve it;

the tattva-darsinah.

 

"..we do not misinterpret the readings of Bhagavad-g…t€. We accept them as

it is. If there is some doubt... There cannot be any doubt(,really). It may

be, due to my poor fund of knowledge I cannot understand it—that we should

admit. The lines, as stated in the Bhagavad-g…t€, they are as perfect as

anything. But if I cannot understand it, that is my lack of knowledge, my

poor fund of knowledge. Therefore KŠa has suggested or ordered in this

Bhagavad-g…t€,

tad viddhi praŠip€tena

paripranena sevay€

upadekyanti tad jñ€naˆ

jñ€ninas tattva-darinaƒ

[bg. 4.34]

Because there may be some difficulty...."

 

 

Town Hall Lecture

Auckland, April 14, 1972

 

We are ordered to find someone who knows. That is not you because you don't

understand. That must be the B.I. Srila Prabhupada said that.

In 1977 when Srila Prabhupada instructed a group of scientifically

inclined devotees about the Vedic Planetarium he clearly metioned about

the fifth canto: "I do not know, you scientists figure out."

Therefore he gave that assignment to the Bhaktivedanta Institute.

See his letter to dr. Wolf 14-10-'76

"Regarding the scientists, we have entrusted our own three scientists namely

Svarupa Damodara, Sadaputa, and Madhva and we leave the matter to them, we

do not say anything ourselves,but are leaving it to them."

Lastly:

-if you don't accept Sadaputa Prabhu's explanation, then, to build the

planetarium, build it in yojanas as described in SB and pray that some

future BI-er explains the yojana

-show the sun closer to the bhu-mandala( and not our position on the

bhu-mandala) then the moon, see Sadaputa Prabhu's books xxx

-"“Krishna said,

"Your particular universe has a diameter of four billion miles; therefore it

is the smallest of all the universes. Consequently you have only four heads.

PURPORT

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, one of the greatest astrologers of

his time, gives information from the Siddhanta-siromani that this universe

measures 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles. This is the circumference of this

universe. According to some, this is only half the circumference.

(Madhya 21.84)".

 

 

in skanda purana book 1 mahesvarakhanda section 2 kaumarikakhanda

ch.37 T.12

i read:

brahmananda is 100 crores yojanas in dimension

(1 crore is 10 million)

this is 1 billion yojanas = 8 billion yojanas

2 x "four billion miles" figure of SB

 

this seems to solve "half the circumference" of some puranikas?

 

Garuda Purana 3.10.5

Lord Krsna to Garuda:

"primordial egg spreads over 50 crores, then minute particle of golden hue

the same dimension. Thus dimension of the egg extends over 100 crore y.

Then 7 enclosures

earth extending over 1000 crores

water ,, 10.000 ,, etc.

 

 

 

 

"half the circumference" of some puranikas

is our SB's understanding, actually it is 100 crores or 8 billion miles

 

 

 

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

ys: Gauranga Premananda das and Madhu Gopal das

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Dear Gauranga Premananda Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada!

 

With a straw in my mouth and will all the humility I can muster I beg to

submit that you are a thick head.

 

Every email you have sent is identical. You simply talk about

18,712,069,200,000,000.

 

I have clearly indicated that the issue here is if we are meant to accept

the Bhagavatam "as it is" or if we are supposed to interperet it in various

imaginary, non-literal ways, as Sadaputa has done, to bring the Bhagavatam's

description of the universe into agreement with the ideas of modern science.

 

You constantly aviod this point and simply say

18,712,069,200,000,000.18,712,069,200,000,000.18,712,069,200,000,000....

 

There is no point in this conversation. You are simply a broken record.

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

Your servant

 

Madhudvisa dasa

 

 

Gauranga Premananda (das) BCS (Amsterdam - NL)

[Gauranga.Premananda.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:43 AM

Danavir Goswami (USA); Drutakarma (das) ACBSP (Los Angeles - USA);

Arya Siddhanta (das) DG (Los Angeles, CA - US); Carana Renu (dd) DAS

(Ljubljana - SI); richard thompson; Oxford Studies

RE: Vedic Cosmology debate

 

 

Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu

 

Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila

Prabhupada!

 

Our comments are in xxx.........xxx

 

 

YOU WROTE

 

I think you need to read my reply again. This discussion has nothing

whatsoever to do with 18,712,069,200,000,000.

 

 

 

xxxHow to explain the facts and figures in relation to your/ the theoryxxx

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

I am convinced that the fifth canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam is giving the

actual description of the universe. We can not understand it at the moment.

That is our limitation, that is our conditioning.

 

 

 

 

xxx How are you convinced if you cannot understand- blindly convinced.

How are we going to understand it. By somewhere doing interpretation. That

is advised if things are not clear; you say "I don't understand"

 

"Commentary or interpretation required when things are not very clear. Then

you can suggest, "The meaning may be like this." But when the things are

clear, why should you comment? There is no necessity of comment. Just like,

for example-this is also from Sanskrit scholar's example-that gaGgAyaM

ghoSapalli. GaGgAyam: "On the Ganges there is a neighborhood which is known

as GhoSapalli." Now, this statement is in your front. So one may question

that "The river Ganges is water. How there can be a neighborhood which is

known as GhoSapalli? On the water how there can be a quarter or neighborhood

of human habitation?" You can question that. GaGgAyaM ghoSapalli. Then the

interpretation should be, "No, not on the Ganges. `On the Ganges' means `on

the bank of the Ganges.' " This interpretation is nice. When one cannot

understand clearly, there is interpretation.

 

Town Hall Lecture

Auckland, April 14, 1972

 

Can you think of an interpretation. How can you build a planetarium if you

"cannot understand the fifth canto of Srimad Bhagavatam" (your words) or the

model which you want to build xxx

 

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

So I am hoping that you will write back admitting that yes, we do have to

accept the Srimad-Bhagavatam AS IT IS,

 

 

 

 

xxxTrue. but how to understand it and yes the scientists are foolsxxx

 

 

 

YOU WROTE

modern science makes so many mistakes, builds theories

on assumptions that are false, has imperfect senses and of course they cheat

SO MUCH to try to "prove" their pet theories. You believe in the big bang

and the red shift, not in Prabhupada and Krishna.

 

 

xxxWho believes big bang, red shift? xxx

 

 

 

xxx We disagree. Now who is Srila Prabhupada's representative to solve it;

the tattva-darsinah.

 

"..we do not misinterpret the readings of Bhagavad-gItA. We accept them as

it is. If there is some doubt... There cannot be any doubt(,really). It may

be, due to my poor fund of knowledge I cannot understand it-that we should

admit. The lines, as stated in the Bhagavad-gItA, they are as perfect as

anything. But if I cannot understand it, that is my lack of knowledge, my

poor fund of knowledge. Therefore KRSNa has suggested or ordered in this

Bhagavad-gItA,

tad viddhi praNipAtena

paripraznena sevayA

upadekSyanti tad jJAnaM

jJAninas tattva-darzinaH

[bg. 4.34]

Because there may be some difficulty...."

 

 

Town Hall Lecture

Auckland, April 14, 1972

 

We are ordered to find someone who knows. That is not you because you don't

understand. That must be the B.I. Srila Prabhupada said that.

In 1977 when Srila Prabhupada instructed a group of scientifically

inclined devotees about the Vedic Planetarium he clearly metioned about

the fifth canto: "I do not know, you scientists figure out."

Therefore he gave that assignment to the Bhaktivedanta Institute.

See his letter to dr. Wolf 14-10-'76

"Regarding the scientists, we have entrusted our own three scientists namely

Svarupa Damodara, Sadaputa, and Madhva and we leave the matter to them, we

do not say anything ourselves,but are leaving it to them."

Lastly:

-if you don't accept Sadaputa Prabhu's explanation, then, to build the

planetarium, build it in yojanas as described in SB and pray that some

future BI-er explains the yojana

-show the sun closer to the bhu-mandala( and not our position on the

bhu-mandala) then the moon, see Sadaputa Prabhu's books xxx

-""Krishna said,

"Your particular universe has a diameter of four billion miles; therefore it

is the smallest of all the universes. Consequently you have only four heads.

PURPORT

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, one of the greatest astrologers of

his time, gives information from the Siddhanta-siromani that this universe

measures 18,712,069,200,000,000 x 8 miles. This is the circumference of this

universe. According to some, this is only half the circumference.

(Madhya 21.84)".

 

 

in skanda purana book 1 mahesvarakhanda section 2 kaumarikakhanda

ch.37 T.12

i read:

brahmananda is 100 crores yojanas in dimension

(1 crore is 10 million)

this is 1 billion yojanas = 8 billion yojanas

2 x "four billion miles" figure of SB

 

this seems to solve "half the circumference" of some puranikas?

 

Garuda Purana 3.10.5

Lord Krsna to Garuda:

"primordial egg spreads over 50 crores, then minute particle of golden hue

the same dimension. Thus dimension of the egg extends over 100 crore y.

Then 7 enclosures

earth extending over 1000 crores

water ,, 10.000 ,, etc.

 

 

 

 

"half the circumference" of some puranikas

is our SB's understanding, actually it is 100 crores or 8 billion miles

 

 

 

 

Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

 

ys: Gauranga Premananda das and Madhu Gopal das

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