Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 > This selfmade spokesman Ramakanta, still Harikes worshipper, see his > e-mail adress "HKS", is not even authorized by Iskcon to answer questions > about who is a bonafide guru and who is a bhogus. There is no doubt that Harikesh has done more service for Srila Prabhupada than you will do in many lifetimes. He gave his youth and energy to Srila Prabhupada's mission. He took risks and faced hostile elements and inspired literally thousands of disciples to surrender to Krishna and do wonderful service, and he has never in his time as guru, said anything but that we must follow Prabhupada. Whatever troubles he has now is between him and Prabhupada and Krishna. It's actually non of your business. Nor is it the business of K. Kant or the IRM. > totally materialistic money-guru Harikes, who presently visits Hare > Krishna Alachua with his little white poodle and commits all kinds of > offenses against Vaishnavism and Ramakanta dares to teach at pamho.net how > to take shelter of the same bhogus pseudo gurus like his Harikes? Who on earth ever told you to take shelter of Harikesh? Nobody has told you such a thing. You are making this up. > The actual situation right now is that all those ISKCON leaders with some > minimum grips avoid it all ..... The actual situation right now, is that those gurus who have fallen have nothing to say in ISKCON, and that ISKCON despite that goes on trying to come to grips with things. No matter how many of its members fall down, there will always be the ones who continue to stick to the principles and carry the mission on, and it is those we must seek shelter of. Who suggested you must take shelter of people who are obviously in a difficult period of their lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hare Krishna, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Shrila Prabhupada. I have a question for anyone who would be kind enough to answer. Someone on this conference mentioned that even during Lord Chaitanya's time, "gurus" were deviating from the path because apparently there were instructions on what to do when one's guru deviates. My question is who gave these instructions and what is the name of the book? I would like to investigate what the deviations were, the advice given, and by whom, for myself. Sincerely, Rama Raghava Dasa Dr. Rakesh K. Sharma Family Practice Attending Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 "When should a guru be rejected? It may happen that through asat-sa‰ga a guru may lose his qualifications. Starting as a big guru, by committing nama-apar€dha he loses his knowledge. By offending other VaiŠavas he loses the taste for the name and gradually falls under the control of wealth and women. Such a guru should be rejected. By the mercy of KŠa, that disciple will obtain a new bona fide guru and take up pure chanting of the name again. "If a guru takes unsuitable people for disciples, he will have to suffer for that, and if a disciple takes an unqualified guru, he will accordingly suffer. In order to avoid these misfortunes, one should be cautious. On the other hand, as long as both guru and disciple are properly qualified, the relationship will continue. Ideally, this relationship is eternal, but if the disciple becomes bad, the guru must reject him, and if the guru becomes bad, the disciple must reject him. Otherwise both may fall; better one than both. "In order to prevent the pain of having to reject one's guru, one should first carefully examine him to see if he is a pure devotee of KŠa. Even in receiving a material article, one examines it for quality. Once having accepted a qualified guru, if one disobeys his instruction, one commits a grave offense. By that even the demigods can fall down to hell. Harinam cintamani by Bhaktivinoda Thakura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 "When should a guru be rejected? It may happen that through asat-sa‰ga a guru may lose his qualifications. Starting as a big guru, by committing nama-apar€dha he loses his knowledge. By offending other VaiŠavas he loses the taste for the name and gradually falls under the control of wealth and women. Such a guru should be rejected. By the mercy of KŠa, that disciple will obtain a new bona fide guru and take up pure chanting of the name again. "If a guru takes unsuitable people for disciples, he will have to suffer for that, and if a disciple takes an unqualified guru, he will accordingly suffer. In order to avoid these misfortunes, one should be cautious. On the other hand, as long as both guru and disciple are properly qualified, the relationship will continue. Ideally, this relationship is eternal, but if the disciple becomes bad, the guru must reject him, and if the guru becomes bad, the disciple must reject him. Otherwise both may fall; better one than both. "In order to prevent the pain of having to reject one's guru, one should first carefully examine him to see if he is a pure devotee of KŠa. Even in receiving a material article, one examines it for quality. Once having accepted a qualified guru, if one disobeys his instruction, one commits a grave offense. By that even the demigods can fall down to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 > I have a question for anyone who would be kind enough to answer. Someone > on this conference mentioned that even during Lord Chaitanya's time, > "gurus" were deviating from the path because apparently there were > instructions on what to do when one's guru deviates. My question is who > gave these instructions and what is the name of the book? I would like to > investigate what the deviations were, the advice given, and by whom, for > myself. I mentioned that. There is a famous book written by Narahari Sarkar Chakravarti, who was an elderly contemporary of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, and the siksa guru of Srinivas Acharya. I just can't remember the name of it. It might be Bhakti-ratnakara. I checked in the folio and Bhakti-ratnakara is listed as the only book he wrote, so that must be it. ys, jdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 > > I mentioned that. There is a famous book written by Narahari Sarkar > > Chakravarti, who was an elderly contemporary of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, > > and the siksa guru of Srinivas Acharya. I just can't remember the name > > of it. It might be Bhakti-ratnakara. I checked in the folio and > > Bhakti-ratnakara is listed as the only book he wrote, so that must be > > it. > It is Krsna-Bhajanamrita written by Sri Narahari Sarkar Thakura. Actually > Narahari Sarkar Thakura is not Narahari Cakravarti Thakura. Ok. Thanks for the correction. ys, jdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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