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Mayavadis and Ritvikvadis are known for their grammatical

knowledge and word jugglery. We don't want Krishna Kant

(Deepak) to redefine for us the orders we have received

from Srila Prabhupada. We prefer to take Srila Prabhupada

straight, exactly as he is. That he refuses to surrender to

any authority, considering himself to be the supreme

authority, is his problem not ours. ISKCON is saving

the world, Krishna Kant. Either join us or get out of

the way. A word to wise in this connection: Don't be

"Krishna Can't." It's better that you be "Krishna Can,"

apologize for your multitudinous offenses and become a

surrendered member of the ISKCON team. Now you are trying

to destroy ISKCON. We shudder to think of how angry Srila

Prabhupada is with you right now.

 

 

 

 

Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)

[Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Monday, January 31, 2005 12:00 AM

Initiations in ISKCON

RE: Proof #1 that ritvikvada is wrong

 

Dear Deepak Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

> As I stated, your proof will refuted as soon as you concede that you

> have made misleading statements.

 

You wrote: "A statement is a literal sequence of words."

 

That is only one of the meanings of "statement". When you look in the

dictionaries (e.g. at www.dictionary.com), you will see that there are other

meanings:

 

- An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due;

a bill.

(This is not a literal sequence of words but mainly consiste of numbers.)

 

- An elementary instruction in a programming language.

(This is not a literal sequence of words but consists of symbols and

digits.)

 

- An overall impression or mood intended to be communicated, especially by

means other than words. A nonverbal message.

(This is not at all expressed by words.)

 

- The presentation of a musical theme.

(This is not at all expressed by words.)

 

- A fact or assertion offered as evidence that something is true.

[syn: argument]

 

The meaning has to be taken according to the context. For example if we are

talking about finances, then "statement" means "statement of account", or if

we are talking about computer programs, then statement means "computer

instruction".

 

Since we are arguing, the obvious meaning of "statement" is "argument". If

you understand something different, then that is your fault. My proof is not

refuted just because you misunderstood me.

 

This is what I did: I took Krishnakant's argument, then expressed it in my

words, and then added or removed the word "not".

 

BTW. Who wrote following literal sequence of words? Krishnakant?

 

"There is not ONE place in Srila Prabhupada's books where Srila Prabhupada

has stated "the necessity of taking initiation from a Guru who is physically

present," what to speak of such a statement being "emphasized" repeatedly.

If Tripurari or anyone else can find such a statement from Srila

Prabhupada's books, the IRM will immediately give them a $1000 reward."

 

Isn't "the necessity of taking initiation from a Guru who is physically

present" identical to "For the initiation the physical presence of the diksa

guru is required"?

 

ys Ramakanta dasa