cow urine better no doubt, AUT is easier to get daily- what to do?

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> > > > I'm asking since one guru/sannyasi has said the Vedas

> > > > say absolutely no, and I wanted to send to him what

> > > > was previously sent out.

 

ok mataji, send him this auto urine therapy book attached here for now, the

sanskrit verses may append later in an updated version of the file.

 

> > > > Also, what is Jayapataka Maharaj's email address to

> > > > get this (these) reference(s).

 

jayapataka.swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net

 

> > so in sastric debate one has to pull out the pramana's "put up or shut

> > up" as they say in USA. so I have pramana's supporting my contention.

> > anyone who has vedic pramana's against it are humbly requested to now

> > submit them..

>

> Dear Maharaj,

> Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

>

> Not for arguing with you but just to answer your request for quotes:

 

Many many sincere pranama;s and thanks to Bhadra Govinda and to Adi Purusha

prabhus for their wonderful pramanas. I loved to read them all.

 

I've just spent last night 4 to 5 hours and have done a preliminary

recognition in abby fine reader 7.0 for the book "auto urine therapy".

unfortunately, abby doesn't support devanagari text yet, as far as I know of

now.

 

so until someone transcribes the exact sanskrit text, you'll all have to be

happy with only the english.

 

Bhadra govinda has presented very conclusive and strong evidence that

Prabhupada did not appreciate Urine drinking at all.

 

of course, Reiki wasn't arround in Prabhupada's days, (at least no one has

told me SP heard of it or mentioned it), this is why there are no quotes in

the folio to discourage or stop the GBC reiki wala's. (at least yet).

 

Bhadra Govinda, you've kindly mentioned the negative pramana against UT, now

where's your positive therapies to replace Siva's therapy? do you have those

vedic pramana's? that therapy?

 

what's your alternative to spending thousands of thousands of $$ in

Bhaktivedanta and other Hospitals for intracable problems like cancer etc

and for many daily small problems- that people have proved that by drinking

urine, it cures?

 

I've looked at the cow urine book that madana Gopal has given us all, and

admittedly it *looks like* Cows urine will/ may do the same thing.

 

If I can get a steady supply of cow urine, (I'll try to ask the hosts to

arrange to get it wherever I go), then I might get to avoid the

unpleasantness (along with the accompanying guilt) that goes with accepting

something for health that my own guru didn't like.

 

Adi Purusha has presented Manus advice in Manu Samhita.

 

I admit it's all interesting reading matter, no doubt.

what's obvious to me is that cow urine was used in the prayascitta for

drinking human urine, therefore, it is respected by manu whereas human urine

is not.

 

so If I can get Cow urine when I travel, I think Siva's prescriptions could

be added to it and then Prabhupada, we (and possibly manu too) would be on

our side.

 

I will try to implement siva's instructions with the use of cow urine (I got

litres here in Russia) on myself, (and Indian cow bread urine while in

Vraja) and I'll have to see what the results are.

 

this still has not 100% resolved things. we are all dying off fast, without

much help. the senior devotees are spending thousands of their disciples

$$$$ which could of gone to Mayapur temple of understanding, instead of the

pharmaceutical companies pockets.

 

prabhupada didn't like hospitals and he personally told all of us, not to

put him in a hospital when the end was near.

 

When a devotee gets cancer,all the Iskcon devotees goes to the hospitals all

around the world and spends the $$$$, guru or what have you.

 

this has been my main My grouse here all along.

 

the problem is that nowadays no one is able to have the time in domestic

life to keep cows, (so where will their yati guests who visit their flats

get cow urine from?)

 

I've been in Bhadra Govinda's flat, and I see that he doesn't have the time

or space to serve Cows in his flat in Singapore.

 

However after reading Madan Gopala's cow urine book, I'd hope that somehow

or other- He might be able to arrange Cow urine from a Singapore Gaushala.

 

neither do I have cows with me in the planes as I travel. This is why after

reading the whole Damar tantra, and reading up on 5 different books about

UT, I've been availing of it.

 

praactically and logistically speaking, it's easier to get my hands on my

own urine, then to get cows urine while traveling.

 

Siva is "tejiyasam na dosaya" and no doubt no one can imitate his drinking

poison halakuta, but his advice in verses in damar tantra wherein he tells

"yogis' to mix different ayurvedic herbs to mix with it, make me curious to

think that it's a recommended therapy for maintainance of health for a yogi-

albeit verses wherein Siva mentioned about Opium use are to be avoided by

us, clearly.

 

verses 22,23,24,25,26,27,28-29,30-31,32,33,34,35,

37,38,39,40,41,42,43,(message with cooked down urine mentioned along with

mantras for accepting, passing, drinking, 44-47. message described in verses

48-49. don't use fresh urine for message Siva says in verse 50-51, he says

one attains longevity by drinking and using for message in 52,

 

53-54 conquers lust. use with roasted gram dhal and jaggery, sees things

from great distances.55-56.

use with piper longum, (pippali and black pepper) gets pleasing voice.57

 

use with dry ginger + sivambhu becomes exceptionall strong.58.

use with abhaya powder and haritaki purified whole body 59,

 

use sivambhu with equal parts amrta, triphala churna, kadu, dry ginger,

cumin seeds, pippali roots, diet only milk and rice, attains understanding

of scriptures within a year.

 

62 use with the powder of 5 parts sharapunkha plant

63-64 use with nargundi leaves + sivambhu for one month gets strong limbs.

 

65 equal amounts of white and black sesame seeds, karanj and neem leaves,

 

68 sivambhu with triphala churna, mixed with nirgundi, and 2 kinds of

turmeric, for 3 months becomes sharp witted, decerning fine distinctions,

\

69, use of bringaraja + honey with sivambhu after that, in 6 months, attains

longevity and gets far sightedness.

 

70 neem tree bark powder, chitraka, pippali, attainss effulgence that

demigods will worship them.

 

71-72-73., red apamarg root, root of chakramarda, + neem juice followed by

sivambhu, free from diseases, and hair on head remains black, no wrinkles of

old age. walk 125 kilometers effortlessly- have insights into others

thoughts, young girls will be attracted to him.

 

74 white kaner juice + sivambhu, every day, frees from epilepsy within a

year.

 

75-76-77, juice of white gunja seeds, sharapunkha leaves, chakramardha and

powdered roots of matulung in equal quantities wetted with sivambhu prepares

a paste, rolled into pea pills, one pill taken per day, and sivambhu after

that for 30 days. purified body free from ailments.

 

78-79 powdered seeds of karanja, + gum of banian tree, + sivambhu makes one

young like 16 years old boy. invisible and visible at will.

 

80 etc etc I'm going ahead and trying to recognise the book for all to read.

 

then what do we say about Lord Siva's advice in Damar Tantra? only for the

health of the ordinary class of ignorant population, I.E. those in the modes

of Ignorance? Not for Brahmins- (who evidentally, in days of yore knew

precisely what to do for their health-unlike modern Brahmin vaisnavas!)

 

> "According to religious principles, stool, urine, wash water, etc., must

> be left at a long distance. Attached bathrooms, urinals, etc. may be very

> convenient amenities of modern civilization, but they are ordered to be

> situated at a distance from residential quarters." SB 1.19.3pp

>

> Let him not step intentionally on things used for cleansing the body, on

> water used for a bath, on urine or ordure, on blood, on mucus, and on

> anything spat out or vomited. [Manu-samhita v.4.132.]

>

> [The rest is also from Manu-samhita]

>

> Far from his dwelling let him remove urine (and ordure), far (let him

> remove) the water used for washing his feet, and far the remnants of food

> and the water from his bath. [MS v.4.151.]

>

> The food of a king impairs his vigour, the food of a Sudra his excellence

> in sacred learning, the food of a goldsmith his longevity, that of a

> leather-cutter his fame; [v.4.218.]The food of an artisan destroys his

> offspring, that of a washerman his (bodily) strength; the food of a

> multitude and of harlots excludes him from (the higher) worlds.

> [v.4.219]The food of a physician (is as vile as) pus, that of an unchaste

> woman (equal to) semen, that of a usurer (as vile as) ordure, and that of

> a dealer in weapons (as bad as) dirt. [v.4.220.]The food of those other

> persons who have been successively enumerated as such whose food must not

> be eaten, the wise declare (to be as impure as) skin, bones, and hair.

> [v.4.221.]If he has unwittingly eaten the food of one of those, (he must)

> fast for three days; if he has eaten it intentionally, or (has swallowed)

> semen, ordure, or !!!!urine!!!!, he must perform a Krikkhra penance.

> [v.4.222.]

>

> [see the description of differente Kricchhra penances at the end]

>

> An earthen vessel which has been defiled by spirituous liquor, urine,

> ordure, saliva, pus or blood cannot be purified by another burning.

> [v.5.123.]

>

> Oily exudations, semen, blood, (the fatty substance of the) brain, urine,

> faeces, the mucus of the nose, ear-wax, phlegm, tears, the rheum of the

> eyes, and sweat are the twelve impurities of human (bodies). [v.5.135.]He

> who desires to be pure, must clean the organ by one (application of)

> earth, the anus by (applying earth) three (times), the (left) hand alone

> by (applying it) ten (times), and both (hands) by (applying it) seven

> (times). [v.5.136.]Such is the purification ordained for householders; (it

> shall be) double for students, treble for hermits, but quadruple for

> ascetics. [v.5.137.]

>

> (Men of) the three twice-born castes who have unintentionally swallowed

> ordure or urine, or anything that has touched Sura [alcohol], must be

> initiated again. [v.11.151.]

>

> -------------------

> Krichchra tapas:

> A twice-born man who performs (the Krikkhra penance), revealed by

> Pragapati, shall eat during three days in the morning (only), during (the

> next) three days in the evening (only), during the (following) three days

> (food given) unasked, and shall fast during another period of three days.

> [v.11.212.](Subsisting on) the urine of cows, cowdung, milk, sour milk,

> clarified butter, and a decoction of Kusa-grass, and fasting during one

> (day and) night, (that is) called a Samtapana Krikkhra. [v.11.213.]A

> twice-born man who performs an Atikrikkhra (penance), must take his food

> during three periods of three days in the manner described above, (but)

> one mouthful only at each meal, and fast during the last three days.

> [v.11.214.]A Brahmana who performs a Taptakrikkhra (penance) must drink

> hot water, hot milk, hot clarified butter and (inhale) hot air, each

> during three days, and bathe once with a concentrated mind. [v.11.215.]A

> fast for twelve days by a man who controls himself and commits no

> mistakes, is called a Paraka Krikkhra, which removes all guilt.

> [v.11.216.]

>

> ------

why argue with manu? I see his logic there...as well...

 

> I agree that these quotes can still be argued with. And according to

> sastra prana (life) is to be protected above dharma (religious

> injunctions)...

what I;m concerned with is the abc's who are dying of cancer etc and there

is no cheap therapy for them. My heart goes out to them, we stand helpless

and watch them die off without a good cheap fight.

 

Wheatgrass is good, raw foods are satvic. even Pranayama (brastrika) is

effective Pundarika prabhu in Kisumu was telling me, so yes Yoga asana's

etc.

 

it is definitely possible to maintain one's health without resorting to UT

therapy, I admit but there are no database "folio" of standard therapies

that all devotees can resort to. and that's what eggs me on to try these

different naturopathic therapies out on my own body.

 

> I know whole zones where devotees did this "UT". Didn't kill the movement

> there:)

>

> Your servant apd

right again.

 

another thing about these Quotes by SP below.

what one acharya likes another abhors..

 

Srila Prabhupada liked sandalwood paste, but His disciple Tamala krsna

Maharaja, hated it, and thought it felt like oatmeal splashed on his face. I

heard him personally say this.

 

> Dr. Patel: There is, sir, one matter in Ayurvedas, svay€mbu cikits€,

> wherein people are drinking their own urine, because urine is not only

> water and waste products but there are certain broken, I mean what you

> call important articles, of body maintainence.

> Prabhup€da: So those.... You are advising your patients to go and

> drink...? Dr. Patel: No, I don’t say. But that is not so bad, because it

> contains those hormones.... (Prabhup€da breaks in laughing) It does

> contain the hormones, I mean it has been analyzed like that,

> scientifically. It is not to be joked about.

> Prabhup€da: No. It is analyzed. And stool is full of hydrophosphites. Yes,

> that is another.... Stool is full of hydrophosphites.

> Dr. Patel: (Hindi to another man) They are bringing.... There is a matter

> in cikits€ in Ayurveda. Svay€mbu. What is that called? So, Mr.... our er,

> Mr. Desai. Morarji...

> Prabhup€da: He is drinking?

> Dr. Patel: ...who lost his premiership of India, he is drinking his own

> urine.

> Man: (indistinct) also.

> Dr. Patel: Yes. He is drinking.

> Prabhup€da: šcch€. Why?

> Dr. Patel: And look at him. He’s so, I mean, so absolutely healthy. I mean

> it is, we should not laugh about it, but there is something right in it.

> Prabhup€da: No, no. I don’t laugh; I am surprised! (devotees laugh)

> --------

just see. Morarji desai lived with full health and vigour, with full

consciousness upto 1994. Having not met him personally or his son kanti

desai-I'm not sure how KC he was though, on the other hand, the trees live

5000 years but are ignorant. SB 2.3.18?

 

why not adopt alternative medicine to regain and maintain health, then with

that health- read SB and chant HK and be smarter for it all?

 

why not keep our health to preach SB to everyone up to 100 years +? this was

My idea by trying sivambhu cikitsa on myself.

 

of course some sadhus vaisnava's also live to 99 years, and one god-brother

of Prabhupada is 93 with only some small example of dementia there.

I admit one can live a long life by satvic means without UT therapy.

 

but without other means for success in preventing life threatening diseases,

you can't blame some devotees for trying other controversial means to free

themselves from the grip of disease. " the end justifies the means".

 

> Just consider the sun. The sun is absorbing urine. Can you drink urine? If

> you want to imitate the sun—“Oh, here is the sun absorbing urine. Let me

> drink urine”—can you? -------Srila Prabhupada in PQPA.

>

> Just like the sun. Sun is so powerful that it can soak water from the

> urine, or from the stool, but it still is sun. But if you imitate sun and

> you... Nowadays, it is going on. The urine is turned into water and they

> drink. And from stool they are getting fat. So these things are going on.

> But we should not try to imitate.-------Srila Prabhupada SB Lecture.

>

> The sun is absorbing urine. Can you drink urine? If you want to imitate

> sun, “Oh, here is sun absorbing urine. Let me drink urine,’’ can you?

> Tej…yas€ˆ na do€ya. He is powerful. He can do everything. Therefore we

> cannot imitate Him.---------Room Conversation.

>

> The example is given that the sunshine is soaking urine. Can you imitate

> that, you drink urine? So tej…yas€ˆ na do€ya. If Christ has done

> something, he is Lord Jesus Christ, he might have done it for some

> purpose, but we cannot follow that. We have to follow what he has

> ordered.---Morning Walk

>

> Ap€pa-viddham. P€pa means sinful. Just like the sun is powerful. It can

> absorb urine, but you cannot drink urine.-----Room Conversation.

 

Having read all these statements of Srila Prabhupada, I opine for promoting

cow urine in medicines, and in personal use whereever possible, (and

whereever impossible or impractical- to get cows urine- I *may still on

occaision find the need* to resort to UT).

 

at this point in time, I feel I have to first apply the cow urine principles

and get results by that, before totally rejecting human urine as a treatment

option.

 

TridaNDi BhikSu, Bhakti Visrambha MAdhava