pope?

[Guest guest]

Padcadravina: [break] ...dressed in shiny saffron. He is dressed in black.

He looked like nescience and you look like the sunshine, standing next to

him. He is wearing all this black with a little bit of red trimming on it,

looked like nightime. [break] ...I met a Christian, and he said "You have

got your guru and you are following him. He teaches you by his example. We

have got our pope. He is our example of what Christianity is. He is the head

of Christian order, and he himself is eating meat. Now how you can say...?"

Prabhupada: Then how he can be pope?

Padcadravina: "But how you can say he is not the best Christian? He is the

head of all the Christians."

Prabhupada: But that means you are foolish and pope is also foolish. If he

does not follow the orders of Jesus Christ, then how he becomes a pope?

Therefore you are foolish. You have elected some foolish, another foolish

man as your pope. That should be the right answer, that "If he does not

follow Christ, how he becomes pope?"

Padcadravina: He is not killing.

Prabhupada: Then why he is appointed as head? He must order. Otherwise if

you are not following pope, then you are not Christian. He does not kill,

then you should not kill. And why does he not order?

Padcadravina: He himself is eating meat. So it must be all right.

Prabhupada: Then how he is pope?

Padcadravina: But he is knowing what Christianity is the best. Therefore he

is in charge. He says it is all right to eat meat.

Prabhupada: No, no, how... Then first of all how you can elect him as in

charge? Then you are fool.

Padcadravina: All the popes for hundreds of years have all eaten meat.

Prabhupada: Then hundreds of years you are fool. Therefore you are

intelligent? Does it mean?

Padcadravina: But when Jesus said, "Thou shalt not kill," he meant humans;

he did not mean animals.

Prabhupada: That is your interpretation.

Aknayananda: But Jesus was a shepherd and there were many, many sheep. What

did they do with all the sheep?

Prabhupada: They eat?

Padcadravina: They must.

Prabhupada: They must. That is your inference.

Padcadravina: What else...? In the middle of desert...? Babylon, Israel is

all desert country. What will they do with sheep? They are not making wool

coats.

Prabhupada: Then why he has said, "Thou shalt not kill"? Then hypocrisy.

Then you reject Jesus complete. He is a hypocrite. Yes. That is the

conclusion. How can you follow hypocrite? Huh? Is that all right? If Jesus

Christ himself killed animals and he said, "Thou shalt not kill," then he is

a hypocrite. Then he cannot preach. He is a hypocrite. You are bringing

Christ for condemnation. But how a hypocrite can be the head or can be the

religious man or can be...

Aksayananda: It is not that we are saying he is a hypocrite.

Prabhupada: He is proving.

Aksayananda: He himself, the Christian is saying that Jesus Christ is a

hypocrite.

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

(Morning Walk, April 22, 1974, Hyderabad)