Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Lots of good things. Naturally, the main thing that I see missing is promotion of ox power -- which should be 50% of any cow protection program. I'm starting to get the impression that Hindus don't want to promote it because they fear they will be seen as backward. What is the discussion over there about the relationship between peak oil production, increased prices for agricultural fuel, and the need to promote an appreciation of ox power? I guess I found more appreciation for ox power in the link below on Cuba than I did on the Love4Cows website. Especially slide 31 and 36. http://www.energybulletin.net/4381.html One thing that I found interesting was that Cubans have cut their meat eating by 75% in their low-energy transition. Now if only they can start chanting Hare Krsna! your servant, Hare Krsna dasi - "Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Monday, May 30, 2005 6:50 pm new cow website > http://www.love4cow.com/ > http://www.love4cow.com/scriptures.htm > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I found that Love4cows has a lot of practical information especially on feeding cows in India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I think maybe I spoke too strongly. Overall, it really is a great website. Practical and not to pretentious. But it really mystifies me why there seems to be almost no mention of ox power (possibly I missed something - all I saw was the word "draught" in one color wheel). And it just seems ironic to me that when people worry what to do about peak oil production in 10 years from now -- they first think of Cuba and not India. India has been working oxen for several thousand years longer than Cuba. But with the exception of a few stallwarts like Vandana Shiva and N.S. Ramaswamy, in general it almost seems like Indians are ashamed of working oxen -- whereas the Cubans are quite proud of it. Thus people are turning to them for answers. I just wonder why? And why doesn't India make more of something they have which is the answer to a matter of life and death world-wide -- namely ox power? ys hkdd - "Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:00 pm Re: new cow website > I found that Love4cows has a lot of practical information > especially on > feeding cows in India. > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Haribol this para or so from ":Livestock and Livelihoods " maybe explains why there is no big promotion of ox power in India, altho of course bullocks are still the mainstay of of all draught and ploughing all over the country. It was the work of the British , who initiated cow slaughter in India , to undermine Indian prosperity. It is the plan of the multinational demons to destroy human civilisation., and devotees too, by destroying the cows and progeny,. meaning oxen., " The effect of colonisation on crop based livestock rearing" Consequent tothe Industrial Revolution Europe had to feed her machines and her people and the different colonies had to provide the raw materials, The shift in agriculture in India from traditional patterns came with the planting of cotton , indigo, jute and tobacco.These slowly replaced the food and fodder crops of Indian farmers. Wheat also gained prominence, as it was needed to make bread, the staple of Europeans settled in the sub continent. The Occident could not understand the partiality of Oriental farmers for rice, which in their opinion, was an extremely labour intensive crop. On the other hand , wheat is an extremely demanding crop and exhausts the soil within 2 years. Neither did the colonisers have any use for the various millets and pulses grown traditionally by Indian farmers as they did not understand them or their uses. Indian farmers were forced to change their intensive practices and adopt more modern methods by the British...........European farmers used to temperate climate ..........tried very hard to bring their farming practices to India , many of which just did not work..... colonisers could not understand the the pattern of Indian livestock rearing where aninmals were raised for manure and draft rather than for meat and milk............the imposition of British farming systems ... on traditional Indian farming marked the divergence betwen the 2 systems , livestock rearing aand crops which had converged thousands of years ago on the subcontinent. to be continued: ys Labangalatika dasi - Noma T. Petroff <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu> Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN) <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Cc: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Bhadra Balaram (das) JPS (Mayapur - IN) <Bhadra.Balaram.JPS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:07 PM Re: new cow website > I think maybe I spoke too strongly. Overall, it really is a great website. > Practical and not to pretentious. > > But it really mystifies me why there seems to be almost no mention of ox power > (possibly I missed something - all I saw was the word "draught" in one color > wheel). > > And it just seems ironic to me that when people worry what to do about peak oil > production in 10 years from now -- they first think of Cuba and not India. > > India has been working oxen for several thousand years longer than Cuba. But > with the exception of a few stallwarts like Vandana Shiva and N.S. Ramaswamy, > in general it almost seems like Indians are ashamed of working oxen -- whereas > the Cubans are quite proud of it. Thus people are turning to them for answers. > > I just wonder why? And why doesn't India make more of something they have > which is the answer to a matter of life and death world-wide -- namely ox > power? > > ys > > hkdd > > - > "Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:00 pm > Re: new cow website > > > I found that Love4cows has a lot of practical information > > especially on > > feeding cows in India. > > > > ----------------------- > > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > > > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Very good analysis. I find this type of information is often worth saving for future reference. Thanks, Labangalatika prabhu! ys hkdd - Rosalie Malik <labangalatika (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:10 am Re: new cow website > Haribol > > this para or so from ":Livestock and Livelihoods " maybe explains > why there > is no big promotion of ox power in India, altho of course > bullocks are > still the mainstay of of all draught and ploughing all over the > country.It was the work of the British , who initiated cow > slaughter in India , to > undermine Indian prosperity. It is the plan of the > multinational demons > to destroy human civilisation., and devotees too, by destroying > the cows > and progeny,. meaning oxen., > > " The effect of colonisation on crop based livestock rearing" > > Consequent tothe Industrial Revolution Europe had to feed her > machines and > her people and the different colonies had to provide the raw > materials, The > shift in agriculture in India from traditional patterns came > with the > planting of cotton , indigo, jute and tobacco.These slowly > replaced the > food and fodder crops of Indian farmers. Wheat also gained > prominence, as > it was needed to make bread, the staple of Europeans settled in > the sub > continent. The Occident could not understand the partiality of > Orientalfarmers for rice, which in their opinion, was an extremely > labour intensive > crop. On the other hand , wheat is an extremely demanding crop and > exhauststhe soil within 2 years. > > Neither did the colonisers have any use for the various millets > and pulses > grown traditionally by Indian farmers as they did not understand > them or > their uses. Indian farmers were forced to change their intensive > practicesand adopt more modern methods by the > British...........European farmers > used to temperate climate ..........tried very hard to bring their > farmingpractices to India , many of which just did not work..... > colonisers could > not understand the the pattern of Indian livestock rearing where > aninmalswere raised for manure and draft rather than for meat and > milk............the imposition of British farming systems ... on > traditional Indian farming marked the divergence betwen the 2 > systems , > livestock rearing aand crops which had converged thousands of > years ago > on the subcontinent. > to be continued: > ys Labangalatika dasi > > > - > Noma T. Petroff <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu> > Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN) <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Cc: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; Bhadra > Balaram(das) JPS (Mayapur - IN) <Bhadra.Balaram.JPS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:07 PM > Re: new cow website > > > > I think maybe I spoke too strongly. Overall, it really is a great > website. > > Practical and not to pretentious. > > > > But it really mystifies me why there seems to be almost no > mention of ox > power > > (possibly I missed something - all I saw was the word "draught" > in one > color > > wheel). > > > > And it just seems ironic to me that when people worry what to do > aboutpeak oil > > production in 10 years from now -- they first think of Cuba and > not India. > > > > India has been working oxen for several thousand years longer > than Cuba. > But > > with the exception of a few stallwarts like Vandana Shiva and N.S. > Ramaswamy, > > in general it almost seems like Indians are ashamed of working > oxen -- > whereas > > the Cubans are quite proud of it. Thus people are turning to > them for > answers. > > > > I just wonder why? And why doesn't India make more of something > they have > > which is the answer to a matter of life and death world-wide -- > namely ox > > power? > > > > ys > > > > hkdd > > > > - > > "Hrimati (dd) ACBSP (Mayapur - IN)" <Hrimati.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > > Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:00 pm > > Re: new cow website > > > > > I found that Love4cows has a lot of practical information > > > especially on > > > feeding cows in India. > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > > > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 from Livestock and Livelihoods by Nitya Ghotge==== effect of colonisation on forest based livestock rearing: The reserved forests( which were previously sacred groves where trees could not be cut but where animals could graze) were cleared under the British guise of scientific management and systematically planted with species which had neither fodder nor medicinal value such as teak, rubber and tea. /As forests came under plantation , the grazing land of animals decreased enormously. Communities from other parts were relocated in the forests to assist the British in their planitng operations and they too began to draw on the forests for their sustenance which eventually led to enormous conflicts......the backlash which is evident today. Livestock in this region suffered along with the people as wild fodder species available from the forest as well as any crop residue available from millers grown under the slash and burn system decreased. Natural selection ensured that the hardiest and toughest breeds of anuimals and species that could withstand the pressures of a low plane of nutrition only managed to survive. However in 1927 the Royal Commission in Agriculture( British) concluded that the primary function of cattle in India was to serve as draught animals, Milk production was considered secondary . The Commission gave priority to feeding over breeding and the stressed the need to raise productivity of grasslands since significant additions of new grazing areas were not possible. In Independent India this policy has never been implemented. Moreover the indigenous milch breeds as Gir and Ongole have been exported to western countires to breed as beef cattle to be continued. ys Labangalatika dasi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 from Livestock and Livelihoods by Nitya Ghotge In Independent India ........" the system of multicropping such as growing jowar together with multiple pulses like channa cow pea all,of which are important food and fodder species have all but disappeared and an era of monocropping with wheat and rice ... ushered in. Over the years even the varieties within wheat and rice have disappeared and monocultures of bakery useful wheat and basmati rice are now increasingly being grown. Sarvati rice , the red grained rice grown in the pocket sized paddy fields of RAtnagiri in Maharastra is medicinal for both humans and animals ( We grow this same rice on our land and eat it).and horse gram or channa , which any farmer would swear is one of the most nourishing foods ,especially for bullocks ,are replaced by the new varieties of rice being promoted by the government in an effort to increase food availability, Consequently the livestock have lost an important source of protein fodder as well as a medicine . In effect the supply of food to humans seems to have been solved at serious loss in the quality of nutrition for farm animals. Green Revolution ...... and hybrid jowar ...has greater grain yield but the stalks are soft, hollow, inedible and fares rather poorly when compared to traditional vaieties of jowar which are reputed for their succulent sweet stalks." The Green Revoution and increased mechanisation , tractors replacing bullocks, and surplus crop production in the most fertile areas udhered in the White REvolution and the buffalo who can consume inferior quality of straw and produce milk of high fat content . Buffalo rearing was promoted as the key solution to all poverty development programmes.Landless women could purchase the inferior fodder from surplus crop residue in the fertile areas amd then sell the milk though cooperatives and finally be alleviated from poverty. " But these programmes however failed to percieve certain ground realities .. What works in well endowed river valleys need not necessarily work in areas which are not so well endowed. " In semi arid areas where this programme is being rampantly promoted there is insufficient fodder and no ponds for buffalo to wallow in and chronic scarcity of water. Disease follows and high vet expenses and animals have been given to women who have no training or experience with them so programmes fail. " Most importantly tractors do not fertilise the soil , This has meant the farmer has to add huge quantities of fertilizer to keep up production levels leading to an increase in cost of production.. to be continued ys labangaltika dasi - from this mailing list, send an email to: > Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I would say that Cuba is looked at as a model of transition not tradition. Cuba has gone from petrol dependency, whereas India is only increasing its dependency day-by-day. India clearly offers the traditional model we seek to emulate, but examples of that model are fragmented and declining daily. Cuba faced an artificial Peak Oil due to the US embargo, and has a lot to teach us about transitioning and the decisions that need to be made now (actually 30 years ago). (I am obviously playing catch-up here on missed postings...sorry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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