Remembering Srila Prabhupada - Sannyasi asrama is not a good

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So why did Tamil Krsna Goswami's disciples and others build the opulent

sannyasi & bramachari ashram at Govadharn I wonder?

 

Ys Arjunanatha dasa

 

 

At 10:56 12/06/2005, Radha Krishna Nambiar wrote:

 

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>August 14

>

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>Guru-krpa Maharaja was thinking of purchasing some

>land here in Vrndavana for building a sannyasi asrama.

>I asked His Divine Grace about this plan. He replied,

>"sannyasi asrama is not a good idea. This is

>sahajiya's idea-eating and sitting. There are

>different types of sahajiyas, but they are all

>rejected. Our men should actively preach, just like

>Hamsaduta Maharaja is doing. We don't want to

>encourage idle sitting, solitary bhajana. The

>sahajiyas, they manufacture so many stories about how

>the best pious activity is to feed the saintly persons

>in Vrndavana. And they are the only saintly persons.

>They eat and sit and gossip. --- is also sahajiya;

>therefore, he mentions Ramakrishna. --- [another

>Vrindaban resident] is sahajiya number one. Simply mix

>with him to take some service from him. At the same

>time, be very careful that he may not exploit. In

>Vrndavana, ninety percent are sahajiya. And sahajiyas

>are rejected by Bhaktivinoda."

>

>- From the TKG's Diary by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami

>Maharaj

 

 

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> So why did Tamil Krsna Goswami's disciples and others build the opulent

> sannyasi & bramachari ashram at Govadharn I wonder?

>

> Ys Arjunanatha dasa

>

>

> At 10:56 12/06/2005, Radha Krishna Nambiar wrote:

>

> >

> >August 14

> >

> >

> >Guru-krpa Maharaja was thinking of purchasing some

> >land here in Vrndavana for building a sannyasi asrama.

> >I asked His Divine Grace about this plan. He replied,

> >"sannyasi asrama is not a good idea. This is

> >sahajiya's idea-eating and sitting. There are

> >different types of sahajiyas, but they are all

> >rejected. Our men should actively preach, just like

> >Hamsaduta Maharaja is doing. We don't want to

> >encourage idle sitting, solitary bhajana. The

> >sahajiyas, they manufacture so many stories about how

> >the best pious activity is to feed the saintly persons

> >in Vrndavana. And they are the only saintly persons.

> >They eat and sit and gossip. --- is also sahajiya;

> >therefore, he mentions Ramakrishna. --- [another

> >Vrindaban resident] is sahajiya number one. Simply mix

> >with him to take some service from him. At the same

> >time, be very careful that he may not exploit. In

> >Vrndavana, ninety percent are sahajiya. And sahajiyas

> >are rejected by Bhaktivinoda."

> >

> >- From the TKG's Diary by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami

> >Maharaj

>

>

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Dear Braja Sevaki Prabhu

PAMHO AGTSP!

 

Thanks for your very careful and thoughtful explanation. I did not mean to

imply that the residents of Govadharn ashram are eating and sitting like

sahajiyas and am sorry if my question gave that impression. I am sure that

they are all a million times more spiritually advanced than my poor self.

You explain how the residents of Govadharn ashram are fulfilling and Srila

Prabhupada's mission very well. By "opulent", I meant not that the building

is full of sofas and computers, but rather, that it is extremely clean,

beautiful, possessed of superspiritual views, superbly integrated with its

environment, and unique in its topography of courtyards and rooftop walkways.

 

The posters of any material to a wide audience, and the recipients, should

expect and welcome comments and discussions on its contents, especially the

instructions of our Founder-Acharya, HDG Srila Prabhupada.

 

Your servant,

Arjunanatha dasa

 

 

At 14:55 12/06/2005, Braja Sevaki TKG wrote:

 

> > So why did Tamil Krsna Goswami's disciples and others build the opulent

> > sannyasi & bramachari ashram at Govadharn I wonder?

>

>Although this seems to me to be a rather foolish comparison, may I suggest

>you address it to those devotees you are referring to at Govardhan, rather

>than implying in a public forum that they are "eating and sitting" like the

>sahajiyas Srila Prabhupada refers to? That would be the intelligent course

>of action, wouldn't you say? That may not have been your intention, but it

>looks a little that way when you go public instead of making a submissive

>enquiry to those involved. They're all easy enough to find, and all of them

>have an address on PAMHO: HH Kesava Bharati Goswami (who, when he's not

>travelling and preaching, works with the BBT, translating the writings of

>the six goswamis of Vrindavan); or His Grace Gopiparanadhana prabhu, who

>also translates the writings of the six goswamis (they both worked on the 3

>volume "Srimad Bhagavatamrita," by Srila Sanatana Goswami), and who also

>teaches at the college that has been recently set up to teach Sanskrit and

>study the Srimad Bhagavatam and other literatures, all with the intention of

>training devotees to continue the long Vaisnava tradition of translating

>sacred texts and distributing them throughout the world; or several other

>devotees you might find in PAMHO's address book under "Govardhan". I'm sure

>they're well equipped to answer any queries you have, and to explain to you

>how translating these great works doesn't reduce them to sahajiyas who are

>eating and sitting, though I'm quite sure you never intended to imply that.

>

>BTW, I've been to Govardhan, and I'd hardly describe it as "opulent." It has

>nice gardens. But I recall seeing it in 1993 (I think it was) when it was

>originally given to HH Tamal (not Tamil, incidentally) Krishna Goswami by

>the King--I can't really recall the details of that, so I'm reluctant to say

>much, but his disciples definitely didn't build it, nor did "others" (by

>that I assume you mean ISKCON devotees?). However, I do recall it was quite

>a wreck of a place, totally uninhabitable, and hardly what one would call a

>'palace.' It had no plumbing, nothing--crumbling walls, a real wreck. It's

>certainly been renovated so that it is inhabitable, but "opulent" is a

>misnomer.

>

>Your servant

>Braja Sevaki devi dasi

>

>

> >

> > Ys Arjunanatha dasa

> >

> >

> > At 10:56 12/06/2005, Radha Krishna Nambiar wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >August 14

> > >

> > >

> > >Guru-krpa Maharaja was thinking of purchasing some

> > >land here in Vrndavana for building a sannyasi asrama.

> > >I asked His Divine Grace about this plan. He replied,

> > >"sannyasi asrama is not a good idea. This is

> > >sahajiya's idea-eating and sitting. There are

> > >different types of sahajiyas, but they are all

> > >rejected. Our men should actively preach, just like

> > >Hamsaduta Maharaja is doing. We don't want to

> > >encourage idle sitting, solitary bhajana. The

> > >sahajiyas, they manufacture so many stories about how

> > >the best pious activity is to feed the saintly persons

> > >in Vrndavana. And they are the only saintly persons.

> > >They eat and sit and gossip. --- is also sahajiya;

> > >therefore, he mentions Ramakrishna. --- [another

> > >Vrindaban resident] is sahajiya number one. Simply mix

> > >with him to take some service from him. At the same

> > >time, be very careful that he may not exploit. In

> > >Vrndavana, ninety percent are sahajiya. And sahajiyas

> > >are rejected by Bhaktivinoda."

> > >

> > >- From the TKG's Diary by HH Tamal Krishna Goswami

> > >Maharaj

> >

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> So why did Tamil Krsna Goswami's disciples and others build the opulent

> sannyasi & bramachari ashram at Govadharn I wonder?

 

It is hardly a sannyas ashram, as it is open to everyone who wants to come

and study sanskrit and sastra. Gopiparanadhana and Mukunda Datta prabhus who

are involved there, were still grihasthas last time I saw them in Mayapur.

 

It's a men's ashram not a sannyas ashram.

 

ys, jdd