It's not the words but the speaker who offends...

[Guest guest]

> > If a woman demands to be called Mister or Master - instead of the gentle

> > word Mother - well then I suppose like a madman who insists that he is

> > Napolean and we are all his subjects and is so addresssed by the nurses

> > in his mental ward - we should cooperate with their insane wishes and

> > just call them Mister!!

 

I guess it's about as clear to some as the polygamy issue is to others.

 

> One more thing: calling me "prabhu" as you dismiss everything I write as

> some misguided (or evil) left-wing plot to undermine Srila Prabhupada's

> movement. That's just hypocrisy.

>

> Yours in service,

> Babhru das

 

Touche...(prabhu .

[Guest guest]

What are you trying to say Mother? That you do in fact advocate that if a woman

were to insist upon being called Mister - that you would agree? Why are you not

willing to concede that SP's very very simple statements - all of them - are

best taken as they are and that this simplicity serves each of us best? What is

wrong with respectfully calling a woman Mother as our Srila Prabhupada advised

us? Why would you want to suggest or as you seem to be doing, argue otherwise?

 

But what is inherently incorrect in my comments on this ridiculously simple

issue. It is a general question and a specific question. In general men are

instructed by our Srila Prabhupada that to graciously and respectfully call

women mother. There will be cases where women from the West adamantly refuse to

embrace this particular aspect of what constitutes Vedic culture. Now the

question seems to be: What is the general instruction by our Acharya and it

appears clear what that is. The general instruction is simple: Mataji. However

there are some cases where the general "prabhu" is also used. Some women -

injured in some manner in their past dealings with men- will simply not embrace

the first. So exceptions will be accepted as well. That is a given.

 

Are we concerned here with the general rule? What is "common knowledge" amongst

the men and women of that period when His Divine Grace was here and offered us

this aspect of Vaisnava culture? It appears we are. My comments are offered in

that light.

 

As far as your attempt to align my comments with some accepted conclusion on

polygamy - what in the name of Jesus are you really saying? What would my

simple comment on the one matter have to do with some matter of polygamy? I

really do not remember the issue of marriage - single wives or otherwise being

brought into this discussion. Your attempt to "position" my comments alongside

some matter that has nothing to do with this issue and is considered less than

desireable would be like saying "Well I guess its about as clear as Praghosa's

opinion on the Boston Red Sox and their ability to retain the title this year!

And we ALL know how what he thinks about the Sox!!"

 

It is that relevant.

 

Let's try to keep the discussion sober and connected.

YS Praghosa

 

Braja Sevaki TKG <Braja.Sevaki.TKG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

 

> > If a woman demands to be called Mister or Master - instead of the gentle

> > word Mother - well then I suppose like a madman who insists that he is

> > Napolean and we are all his subjects and is so addresssed by the nurses

> > in his mental ward - we should cooperate with their insane wishes and

> > just call them Mister!!

 

I guess it's about as clear to some as the polygamy issue is to others.

 

> One more thing: calling me "prabhu" as you dismiss everything I write as

> some misguided (or evil) left-wing plot to undermine Srila Prabhupada's

> movement. That's just hypocrisy.

>

> Yours in service,

> Babhru das

 

Touche...(prabhu .

 

 

 

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