A Sankarsana Fallacy

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Srila Prabhupada said

> that

> he gave us everything in his books. The so-called

> ritvik system is nowhere

> mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's books.

 

Neither is the GBC mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's

books. So does that prove that the GBC is bogus?

Or does that mean that the GBC should have ceased on

Nov. 14th 1977?

 

 

>They take the July 9 letter totally out of context

> with the hundreds and

> thousands

> other instructions given by Srila Prabhupada.

 

Any examples?

 

 

 

 

--- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

<Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

 

> The point of not initiating in the spiritual

> master's physical presence was

> made in the 1975 Mayapur lecture referred to below,

> and also the point of

> initiating after the physical departure was made.

> Srila Prabhupada said

> that

> he gave us everything in his books. The so-called

> ritvik system is nowhere

> mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's books. The system of

> the one is now the

> disciple

> becoming the next spiritual master is mentioned in

> his books.

>

> Our ritvik friends are guiltly of the logical fault

> know as:

>

> eka-desanvaya uttara-slokartha-tatparya-virodhah,

> a contradictory interpretation that creates

> illogical conflict with other

> instructions

> given in the same context.

>

> They take the July 9 letter totally out of context

> with the hundreds and

> thousands

> other instructions given by Srila Prabhupada.

>

> What they are doing is against the Vedic principles.

> It it avedic.

>

>

>

>

> failure (AT) pamho (DOT) net [failure (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

> On Behalf Of Madhusudana

> Dasa

> Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:31 AM

> Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)

> RE: Continuing the disciplic succession

>

> --- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

> <Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> > In Mayapur Srila Prabhupada predicted that ISKCON

> would have ten

> > million initiating gurus (acharyas). These poor

> ritvik friends think

> > that Srila Prabhupada was wrong. I pity them.

>

>

>

> "And to become acarya is not very difficult. [...]

> amara ajnaya guru hana

> tara ei desa, yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa:

> "By following My order,

> you become guru." [...] Then, in future... suppose

> you have got now ten

> thousand. We shall expand to hundred thousand.

> That is required. Then hundred thousand to million;

> and million to ten million." (SP C.c. Lecture,

> 6/4/75, Mayapur)

>

> It has already been demonstrated that Lord

> Caitanya's instruction was for

> everyone to preach vigorously, make lots of Krsna

> conscious followers, but

> not to take disciples. This point is re-inforced

> where Srila Prabhupada

> encourages his disciples to make many more devotees.

> It is significant that

> Srila Prabhupada states "suppose you have got now

> ten thousand..."

> (i.e. in Srila Prabhupada's presence). From this, it

> is clear he is talking

> about Krsna conscious followers, not 'disciples of

> his disciples', since the

> main point of the lecture was that they should not

> initiate in his presence.

> The implication being then, that just as at that

> time there may have been

> around ten thousand followers of Krsna

> Consciousness, so in the future

> millions more would be added. The ritvik system was

> to ensure that when

> these followers became suitably qualified for

> initiation, they could receive

> diksa from Srila Prabhupada, just as they could when

> he gave the above

> lecture. ("The Final Order",

> p12-15)

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