animal torture..human strife

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In a message dated 8/30/05 2:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

labangalatika (AT) vsnl (DOT) net writes:

actually written by gopananda....

 

> The wild forest in its natural abundance will

> > produce excess, just as the human agroecology will

 

I just saw a play by kids on Janmastami. My friend and I looked at each

other and laughed through each segment.... The play was the incarnations of

Krishna. In each one there was bloody slaughter of "demons". We thought, what

a

violent religion we are in.

 

Of course one of the segments was Paurasarama....killing the excess of, not

demons persay but, Ksyatrias. When there is an imbalance the mother earth must

 

create balance. This is the middle planet. Not toooo good, not tooo bad.

 

Gopananda has expressed this scientifcally. Scripture states it in story

form so the common man can grasp it. Krishna as Paurasarama is killing human

beings. servants of the state, of the king, to create balance. This is part

of

the planets maintenance. Like it or not.

 

So what to speak of being tortured on the way to Yamaraja by the animals

we've hurt.

What of the humans? I've spoken to many gurukulis who were beaten, starved,

sexually abused by us, the saintly. What happens to us on the way to meet

Yamaraj, we who have stood by and done nothing to help????

 

Cows are wonderful. goats also give milk. What do people have to offer?

I think I could live without milk. but not without human contact.

I personally was a meat eater when I started visiting the temple. I had much

compassion for animals. Being introduced to a new model for eating helped me

become a vegetarian.....but I was very interested in the devotees philosophy

I read prior to giving up meat. Is Labangalatika inferring that first we must

make all vegetarians, and then give them compassion? How will anyone wish to

be a part of a

dis-compassionate philosophy. Unless they are already without compassion???

 

obeisances, eka Buddhi

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I never said anything about first making all vegetarians, Srila prabhupada

taught us Harinama sankirtan and prasadam for all souls. On becoming a devotee

we are willing to follow the regulative principles of which the first and

foremost is No meat fish or eggs To eat only foodstuff offered to the Lord.

.. because eating vegetables and grains not offered to Krsna is also sinful.

Unknowingly harming other living entities we have to suffer for it what to

speak of knowingly. Animals do not commit sins but we have to be responsible

for our actions. Of course all those who abused the gurukula kids will

suffer... no doubt about it. This material world is nothing but suffering so

compassion means to give other human beings the message of Krsna

conciousness as Srila Prabhupada gave to us so they can also find their way

out of this cycle of birth and death.

 

By the way we can live , with loss of its great qualities, without milk but

not without cow dung to grow our food, Even those who just compost green

manure etc admit animal dung is also required ys Labangalatika dasi

 

 

 

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Ekabuddh (AT) aol (DOT) com

labangalatika (AT) vsnl (DOT) net ; gopanandadasa (AT) (DOT) co.uk

Cc: Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net

Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:14 PM

animal torture..human strife

 

 

In a message dated 8/30/05 2:00:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

labangalatika (AT) vsnl (DOT) net writes:

actually written by gopananda....

 

 

The wild forest in its natural abundance will

> produce excess, just as the human agroecology will

 

 

I just saw a play by kids on Janmastami. My friend and I looked at each

other and laughed through each segment.... The play was the incarnations of

Krishna. In each one there was bloody slaughter of "demons". We thought, what

a violent religion we are in.

 

Of course one of the segments was Paurasarama....killing the excess of, not

demons persay but, Ksyatrias. When there is an imbalance the mother earth must

create balance. This is the middle planet. Not toooo good, not tooo bad.

 

Gopananda has expressed this scientifcally. Scripture states it in story

form so the common man can grasp it. Krishna as Paurasarama is killing human

beings. servants of the state, of the king, to create balance. This is part

of the planets maintenance. Like it or not.

 

So what to speak of being tortured on the way to Yamaraja by the animals

we've hurt.

What of the humans? I've spoken to many gurukulis who were beaten, starved,

sexually abused by us, the saintly. What happens to us on the way to meet

Yamaraj, we who have stood by and done nothing to help????

 

Cows are wonderful. goats also give milk. What do people have to offer?

I think I could live without milk. but not without human contact.

I personally was a meat eater when I started visiting the temple. I had much

compassion for animals. Being introduced to a new model for eating helped me

become a vegetarian.....but I was very interested in the devotees philosophy I

read prior to giving up meat. Is Labangalatika inferring that first we must

make all vegetarians, and then give them compassion? How will anyone wish to

be a part of a

dis-compassionate philosophy. Unless they are already without compassion???

 

obeisances, eka Buddhi