Response to Jayadvaita Maharaj's recommended article

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for info "greg jay" is the birth name of HG Gaura keshava dasa acbsp now

living in hawaii area.

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Dear Braja Sevaki dd et al, PAMHO AGTSP

 

On Sep 7, 2005, at 6:29 PM, Braja Sevaki TKG wrote:

 

> I thought "rabid" was for dogs with rabies?

 

That's correct.

 

> Slightly over-emotional, anyway,

> so let's try and level it out a bit shall we? I'm not foaming at

> the mouth

> yet, but I'll let you know if and when it happens

 

Well you certainly come over as overly emotional about your beliefs.

You have yet to point to factual evidence of your claim that ISKCON

is pervaded by American materialism, or that materialism in America

is somehow of a greater influence on ISKCON than materialism in other

countries.

 

> Anti-Americanism *is* anti-materialism,

 

No, that's not true. There is materialism in every country of the

world. There are also good qualities about American society. Do you

deny this?

 

> and wanting to remove strong

> elements of American "culture" from ISKCON is certainly on the path of

> Krishna consciousness.

 

One should endeavor to remove all material influences not just

Americanism but also anti-Americanism from ISKCON, however up till

now you have not given factual documentation of these. There are good

points to American culture like freedom of religion and freedom of

speech, which some countries do not have.

 

> Surely you aren't thinking that America is equal to

> every other country? That's not an acceptable conclusion either.

 

America certainly is equal to every other country in the sense that

it's people are materialistic. However there are also a great

majority of Americans who are religious whereas there are some other

countries where this is not so. If America was so materialistic then

why did Krsna Conciousness flourish there under Srila Prabhupada's

influence? Many American born Vaisnavas have helped Srila Prabhupada

spread Krsna consciousness around the world. Did any Indians do that?

Personally I don't want to get into this depicting Vaisnavas by

national, racial, or any other stereotype. By your email address I

also see that your own guru is an American. Please stop and consider

what American devotees have done to spread Krsna consciousness. Not

everything out of America is bad. Not everything out of India or

other countries is good. Please stop with the materialistic

stereotypes and crackpot conspiracy theories. At least offer some

facts if you are going to rant like this.

 

> Sure, but America's influence in the world is undeniable. What

> point are you

> trying to make by denying that?

 

I am not denying America's influence in this material world. But I

also see the good things about American society. As with all

countries there is materialism and also many moral, thoughtful and

religious people too.

 

> In your opinion, perhaps....like I said, a lot of people in ISKCON

> have had

> enough of the Americanism.

 

Please name them and their factual reasons starting with yourself and

your facts. Otherwise please keep your prejudice to yourself.

 

> If you think it's not a problem, you might be

> part of the problem Consider that.

 

I admit I have problems. Everyone in this material world has

problems. However those who live in glass houses should refrain from

throwing stones.

 

You have yet to give any facts to support your American conspiracy in

ISKCON theory. Without facts it is just another crackpot idea with

little validity. Naturally there is a large influence of American

Vaisnavas in ISKCON, because America has the most temples, the oldest

and most disciples of HDG Srila Prabhupada and it is where the

movement flourished and spread from. The most senior devotees are

mostly Americans and most of the GBC members are also. This does not

mean that American materialism has infected ISKCON. You should either

stop being offensive or offer some concrete proof of your wild

statements.

 

ys

 

GKD

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> I agree with you, however is not krishna.com an official website of

> BBTI? see http://www.krishna.com/main.php?id=389

>

> I am quoting from the website: "The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust

> International (BBTI) and its website, Krishna.com (hereafter referred

> to as "we", "us", "our") "

>

> If krishna.com is the website of BBTI then should it not also have

> some policy towards what it publishes, whether with or without

> disclaimer? If so then what is that policy?

 

What do you care? You are not even IN ISKCON. Last time we discussed the

jiva issue you were busy telling me how fanatic and clueless ISKCON devotees

are, and now you are all of a sudden very worried about ISKCON policy??? Get

real..