Response to Jayadvaita Maharaj's recommended article

[Guest guest]

> > > > Although I may not agree point for point with Basu Ghosh Prabhu I

> > > > think his point is well taken. I most assuredly don't agree with

> > > > Gupta Nam das's essay. I think it is very foolish to put a

> > > > conspiracy theory like this up on an official Iskcon web site, very

> > > > foolish indeed. Who controls this web site.

> > >

> > > Every American who has commented so far is convinced that these are

> > > only conspiracy theories. It seems rather alarming that you would

> > > think your government so innocent as to invalidate every other opinion

> > > as a "conspiracy theory." It only goes to substantiate how successful

> > > the American government has been in brainwashing the majority of its

> > > constituency. Very alarming indeed.

> > >

> > > Your servant

> > > Braja Sevaki dd

> >

> >

> > My main point is that it is a "theory" which no one of us can "prove"

> > therefore I don't see how this kind of exchange will be of any benefit

> > to our becoming more Krsna consciousness. Rather it has already created

> > dissension amongst us. After all it is said in the sastra (Not a

> > theory.) that if one sees a Vaisnava as belonging to a particular,

> > community, or caste, then such a seer is a resident of hell.

>

> Absolutely. But wouldn't you consider that a Vaisnava who is determined to

> remove elements of mundane, materialistic, demonic society from a

> spiritual institute hardly qualifies as a 'resident of hell?' It's not the

> people,

 

"It is not the people"??? What are you talking about the animals or insects

from America???

 

Of course it IS the people! Don't get me wrong, I encourage you in your

campaign to eradicate materialism wherever it shows it face in Iskcon. What

I am suggesting is that giving a pejorative label to all devotees who

happened to have taken birth in America will be counter productive to your

cause.

 

Jayadvaita Swami took birth in America as did your Guru Maharaja, are you

lumping them in also?. Now there are 300,000,000 of them, and most pride

themselves on being "free thinkers". A smart girl like you should use words

that more precisely define what you are trying to say.

 

 

I don't see how the way you are using the term "American" is any different

then from someone using a pejorative to lump everyone of a certain race or

gender into a convenient package for them to dump on. Not exactly "preaching

the glories of the Lord." as you profess you want to do.

 

Ys TS

 

> Maharaja, it's the conditioned mindset of a country who forces

> it's "culture," beliefs, morals, ethics, and politics--and just about

> everything else you can think of--on everyone else in the world. If I want

> to do something to stop that kind of thing taking root in ISKCON (which it

> already has), then will you label me a 'resident of hell?'

> If so, then as

> it also says in sastra, let me go to hell, as long as I can preach the

> glories of the Lord as superior over any materialistic PR campaign that

> America--or any other country for that matter--can come up with to

> convince me that this world is a wonderful place to be.

>

> Your servant

> Braja Sevaki dd ¾

[Guest guest]

At 18:30 07/09/2005, Gaura Keshava wrote:

 

>Dear Basu Ghosh et al, PAMHO AGTSP

>

>This sort of article written under an obvious pseudonym, with

>allusions to information from spurious sources such as "a friend of a

>friend of a former CIA agent" etc, does not seem like the thing that

>should be posted on Krishna.com.

 

Although I agree wholeheartedly with the article, I also agree that

an official ISKCON publication is not the place for it. I would not

publish material like this on www.iskcon.org.uk. Srila Prabhupada

voiced many controversial opinions like this about world events, but

I don't think *we* can necessarily do so in the name of ISKCON.

 

>There are enough conspiracy theories within "ISKCON" without getting

>involved in these larger issues.

 

This pejorative label "conspiracy theory" is used to stifle

discussion, but, especially in this case, it is meaningless. Are we

talking about the "conspiracy theory" that 9/11 was carried out

solely by Mohammed Atta and 20 other "Al Quaida" moslem terrorists?

and that the WTC collapsed as a result of kerosene fires? or another one?

 

Two things are for sure:

1. There was a conspiracy

2. 9/11 affects every one of us, all round the World

 

Ys

Arjunanatha dasa

 

 

 

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