Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > Everyone could send him a letter. > > They still do. On Vyasapuja day. Sorry that my statement was not clear enough to you. But I thought that since we were discussing asking questions to the spiritual master, I didn't have to write in detail, "Everyone could send him a letter with questions, and Srila Prabhupada would answer the questions". (See the letters in the Vedabase). > > What do you mean by "physically meet"? > > experienced his vapu "Vapu" means "body". So this means "experienced his body". Do you mean touched his body, seen his body, heard his voice, or read his letters? What is the maximum distance? > Why do you accept the instructions in this letter to Upendra, but you > QUESTION the instructions in the letter to Omkara Dasi, after all BOTH are > personal letters. Sorry again that my statement was not clear enough to you. I don't think that you can find all answers in Srila Prabhupada's books. And the purpose of my statement was to demonstrate that. You will not find the answer to the question when the ritvik system was to be stopped in Srila Prabhupada's books. Therefore you have to ask a spiritual master who is present and can answer your specific questions. > The purpose of the question was to find out if you had any information on > the nature of Srila Prabhupada's authorization which may have been unknown > to me. My spiritual master and the sadhus said that Srila Prabhupada is an authorized diksa guru. Maybe that they said that was yet unknown to you. > I remember Deepak defeated you. No-one defeated me. To defeat me you have to refute all my proofs and all arguments I presented. I invited Deepak to refute my four proofs, but he could not refute even one of them. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Ramakant prabhu. Pamho. AgtSP. --- "Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)" <Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > > > Everyone could send him a letter. > > > > They still do. On Vyasapuja day. > > Sorry that my statement was not clear enough to you. > But I thought that > since we were discussing asking questions to the > spiritual master, I didn't > have to write in detail, "Everyone could send him a > letter with questions, > and Srila Prabhupada would answer the questions". > (See the letters in the > Vedabase). > > > > What do you mean by "physically meet"? > > > > experienced his vapu > > "Vapu" means "body". So this means "experienced his > body". Do you mean > touched his body, seen his body, heard his voice, or > read his letters? > What is the maximum distance? Why don't you just stop the non-sense and take the dictionary meaning of the word. > > > Why do you accept the instructions in this letter > to Upendra, but you > > QUESTION the instructions in the letter to Omkara > Dasi, after all BOTH are > > personal letters. > > Sorry again that my statement was not clear enough > to you. I don't think > that you can find all answers in Srila Prabhupada's > books. Therefore Ramakant has just proved that HE is right and Srila Prabhupada is wrong. And the purpose > of my statement was to demonstrate that. You will > not find the answer to the > question when the ritvik system was to be stopped in > Srila Prabhupada's > books. You haven't as yet demostrated that it was to stop. > Therefore you have to ask a spiritual master > who is present and can > answer your specific questions. > Yes, I get your point, but the spiritual master DOESN'T need to be a pretender diksa guru to do that. He could be a humble, aspiring siksa guru type, senior, respected devotee. Why not? That was the process pre-1978. > > The purpose of the question was to find out if you > had any information on > > the nature of Srila Prabhupada's authorization > which may have been unknown > > to me. > > My spiritual master and the sadhus said that Srila > Prabhupada is an > authorized diksa guru. Maybe that they said that was > yet unknown to you. > > > I remember Deepak defeated you. > > No-one defeated me. To defeat me you have to refute > all my proofs and all > arguments I presented. I invited Deepak to refute my > four proofs, but he > could not refute even one of them. > Your integrity was shown to be lacking, was it not? This means defeat. You should now become Deepak's disciple. Learn the truth about the ISKCON guru hoax ISKCON Revival Movement - http://www.iskconirm.com ____ for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents./shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > Why don't you just stop the non-sense and take the dictionary meaning of > the word. The dictionary meaning of "physically meet" is "material bodies come together". That is not required, neither for diksa nor for siksa. Narada Muni for example has no material body, but still he initiated many disciples. But an interactive communication was possible between him and his disciples. I have never heard or read of any initiation where an interactive communication was not possible. > > I don't think that you can find all answers in Srila Prabhupada's books. > > Therefore Ramakant has just proved that HE is right and Srila Prabhupada > is wrong. Both statements are correct. For example in Srila Prabhupada's books you will not find the answer to "should I become purari or book distributor?". But still the answer is there, namely "ask your spiritual master". If you don't believe me, ask your spiritual master. > > And the purpose of my statement was to demonstrate that. You will not > > find the answer to the question when the ritvik system was to be stopped > > in Srila Prabhupada's books. > > You haven't as yet demonstrated that it was to stop. I have. In a nutshell: A permanent ritvik system is not confirmed by sadhu and sastra. Therefore the ritvikvadis misunderstood the July 9th letter. Now please don't quote Krishnakant where he says that we don't have to compare the guru's words with sadhu and sastra. I already read that. I prefer to follow Srila Prabhupada's instruction who said that we always have to compare the guru's words with sadhu and sastra. > > Therefore you have to ask a spiritual master who is present and can > > answer your specific questions. > > Yes, I get your point, but the spiritual master DOESN'T need to be a > pretender diksa guru to do that. He could be a humble, aspiring siksa guru > type, senior, respected devotee. Why not? That was the process pre-1978. Am I not allowed to take initiation from such a humble, aspiring siksa guru type, senior, respected devotee? > Your integrity was shown to be lacking, was it not? No, it was a misunderstanding because for me English is a foreign language and I chose the wrong word. > You should now become Deepak's disciple. Yes, he can give me some English lessons. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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