victory for a woman

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it is relavant, but this is indeed an interesting quote, right?

 

Ys Ganga dd

 

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

 

Letter PAMHO:10399763 (35 lines)

Bhakti Vikasa Swami

16-Sep-05 14:56 (09:56 -0500)

"achintya" <achintya> (sent: 16-Sep-05 14:58)

"Atri Muni Prabhu" <olek69 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> (sent: 16-Sep-05 14:58)

Balarama (das) LOK (Springville, Utah - US) [17029]

Subtract: Ganga (dd) IDS (CIS SysOp) [50643]

"Mahesh Pandit Patna" <sharma_mahesh2000 > (sent:

16-Sep-05 14:58)

"Nitai Pada Kamala (IDS)" <nitaipadakamaladas_ids > (sent:

16-Sep-05 14:58)

"Samvit Dasi" <sixgoswamis (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> (sent: 16-Sep-05 14:58)

Vijaya Govinda (das) BSDS (Chennai - IN) [751] (received: 17-Sep-05

01:30)

BVKS Sanga [4431]

Quotes [2208]

(Krsna) Katha

For: Prabhupada Said

victory for a woman

---------------------------

TRANSLATION

Cyavana Muni was very irritable, but since Sukanya had gotten him as her

husband, she dealt with him carefully, according to his mood. Knowing his mind,

she performed service to him without being bewildered.

 

PURPORT

This is an indication of the relationship between husband and wife. A great

personality like Cyavana Muni has the temperament of always wanting to be in a

superior position. Such a person cannot submit to anyone. Therefore, Cyavana

Muni had an irritable temperament. His wife, Sukanya, could understand his

attitude, and under the circumstances she treated him accordingly. If any wife

wants to be happy with her husband, she must try to understand her husband's

temperament and please him. This is victory for a woman. Even in the dealings

of Lord Krsna with His different queens, it has been seen that although the

queens were the daughters of great kings, they placed themselves before Lord

Krsna as His maidservants. However great a woman may be, she must place herself

before her husband in this way; that is to say, she must be ready to carry out

her husband's orders and please him in all circumstances. Then her life will be

successful. When the wife becomes as irritable as the husband, their life at

home is sure to be disturbed or ultimately completely broken. In the modern

day, the wife is never submissive, and therefore home life is broken even by

slight incidents. Either the wife or the husband may take advantage of the

divorce laws. According to the Vedic law, however, there is no such thing as

divorce laws, and a woman must be trained to be submissive to the will of her

husband. Westerners contend that this is a slave mentality for the wife, but

factually it is not; it is the tactic by which a woman can conquer the heart of

her husband, however irritable or cruel he may be. In this case we clearly see

that although Cyavana Muni was not young but indeed old enough to be Sukanya's

grandfather and was also very irritable, Sukanya, the beautiful young daughter

of a king, submitted herself to her old husband and tried to please him in all

respects. Thus she was a faithful and chaste wife.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 9.3.10

(Text PAMHO:10399763) -----

 

------- End of Forwarded Message ------

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/17/2005 10:00:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Ganga.IDS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

I don't know if it is relavant, but this is indeed an interesting quote,

right?

Maybe even more interesting is the maharaja's concern with marital dealings

and women's duties. Perhaps this is one of the problems with relationships in

IsKcon.

 

Frankly, the very reason I am married to a "non devotee" is because I was

really tired of hearing these kinds of quotes to somehow justify the unpleasant

 

behavior of irritable men in IsKcon. Artificial renounciation and the desire to

 

"lord it over" another human being leads to irritability. In my opinion,

better an honest level of sense gratification than artificial renounciation in

anger and resentment. In the end who needs it? Every devotee is charged by Lord

 

Chaitanya to develop humility, not just the women. No one is actually purusha

here and KC does not have to be a painful experience. Continued association and

 

service is purifying and that is the real key to happy relationships.

Gratefully find your place in Lord Chaitanya's caravan, where ever it may be

and aim

for the long haul. If your spouse is not inimical, the battle is already won.

 

Certainly if a woman is saintly and can surrender in such a situation that is

wonderful. In Kali yuga, not many woman can be so surrendered, just as not

many men are as powerful as Cyavana Muni. To expect either party in a marriage

to have the power and or attitudes of a previous age is to look for

disatisfaction and defeat. Honestly developing some genuine appreciation for

who your

partner actually is at this moment, rather than wishing for something else, or

expecting some artificial and forced behavior, will go a long way towards

meaningful and more or less peaceful relationship. That is genuine chastity and

it

behooves both partners to develop it, not just the wife. Fortunately, I have

been blessed. I am very grateful for my good natured, humble husband who

appreciates the devotees, likes to serve the devotees when he gets the chance

but

also can honestly be who he is without being angry or shamed by it. Rather than

 

wishing he were a "powerful" devotee, instead of a regular guy polishing his

car on Sunday, I appreciate his honesty and humility. Over the years his good

nature and concern for my welfare has softened my heart in many ways. Perhap

not

to the point of saintliness, but at least to the point of reason. In time, I

expect the purification of the holy name will take care of the rest for both

of us.