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12.03.44-46 Sukadeva Gosvami to Maharaja Pariksit

 

Terrified, about to die, a man collapses on his bed.

Although his voice is faltering and he is hardly conscious of

what he is saying, if he utters the holy name of the Supreme Lord

he can be freed from the reaction of his fruitive work and

achieve the supreme destination. But still people in the age of

Kali will not worship the Supreme Lord. (44) In the Kali-yuga,

objects, places and even individual personalities are all

polluted. The almighty Personality of Godhead, however, can

remove all such contamination from the life of one who fixes the

Lord within his mind. (45) If a person hears about, glorifies,

meditates upon, worships or simply offers great respect to the

Supreme Lord, who is situated within the heart, the Lord will

remove from his mind the contamination accumulated during many

thousands of lifetimes. (46)

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"1) MYTH:

"Srila Prabhupada stated that it was a 'law of

disciplic succession' that after the Guru physically

departs, his disciples automatically become successor

Gurus."

 

BUSTED:

a) Srila Prabhupada used this phrase, "law of

disciplic succession", once in a private letter in

1975 to a deviant disciple, Tusta Krishna Das, who

just two years earlier had left ISKCON to form his own

faction with Siddhaswarupa (see Srila Prabhupada's

letter to Madhudvisa Swami, 15/12/73). In this letter

to Tusta Krishna, Srila Prabhupada states:

 

"But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that

during the lifetime of your spiritual master you bring

the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence

or disappearance you can accept disciples without any

limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2/12/75)

 

However, the GBC themselves no longer accept this

"law", even though they used it for many years as

their main piece of evidence for justifying their Guru

system, having recently changed their own laws to

break this "law", and allow disciples of Gurus to

initiate in their own spiritual master's presence.

Three "grand-disciples" who have thus far been

authorized by the GBC to initiate disciples in the

presence of their Gurus are:

 

.. Mahavisnu Goswami, a disciple of Sivarama Swami.

.. Kadamba Kanana Swami, a disciple of Jayadvaita

Swami.

.. Candramukha Swami, a disciple of Hridayananda Das

Goswami.

 

And this number will continue to increase, as

ambitious disciples are 'bribed' with Guruship to stay

in ISKCON and not form their own societies. Indeed the

GBC were forced to take the ground-breaking step of

breaking their own "law", as detailed in the 2001 GBC

resolution below, to deal with rumours that Mahavisnu

Goswami had apparently already been secretly

initiating disciples in violation of ISKCON's 'law' at

that time:

 

That an *EXCEPTION* has been made in the case of HH

Maha Visnu Goswami in regards to the present ISKCON

LAW 6.3.2 (which reads as)

 

"No devotee shall give initiation as long as his own

spiritual master is present on the planet. A devotee

whose spiritual master is present must take all who

approach him for initiation to his own spiritual

master (or other approved initiating guru)."

 

Whereas HH Maha Visnu Goswami is doing dynamic

preaching--attracting many to ISKCON and keeping

others in ISKCON;

Whereas there are several unique features to the

history of HH Maha Visnu Goswami that should be

considered;

Whereas HH Maha Visnu Goswami is often asked for

initiation by new devotees;

Whereas HH Maha Visnu Goswami is very elderly;

Whereas HH Maha Visnu Goswami has displayed allegiance

to Srila Prabhupada's teachings;

Whereas the subject of disciple's initiating in the

presence of their Guru is an ongoing discussion

amongst ISKCON's leaders;

 

"It is hereby resolved that an exception to the

present ISKCON law regarding disciples initiating in

the presence of their guru has been made in the case

of HH Maha Visnu Goswami. That HH Maha Visnu Goswami

is hereby granted a "no objection" to give initiation

to prospective disciples. That all such initiations

should follow the standards set by ISKCON law".

 

We see, however, that this so-called "exception" to

the"law" has now become a general principle - i.e. the

"law" has been broken for good - with at least 3

"grand-disciple" Gurus, and more waiting in line.

 

b) In the letter to Tusta Krishna, Srila Prabhupada

simply states that after his disappearance, it is

possible for a disciple to be a diksa (initiating)

Guru himself. This is merely stating the obvious. If

such a possibility did not exist, then a diksa Guru

could never be succeeded, and there would only ever be

one diksa Guru eternally. Only if such a possibility

of disciples being Gurus existed, could we even have a

discussion regarding whether or not Srila Prabhupada

actually authorised his disciples to succeed him as

diksa Gurus for the lifetime of ISKCON. The above

quote does not say that all his disciples

automatically succeed him or that they are all now

being ordered to become diksa Gurus as soon as Srila

Prabhupada departs. Such an order to the ISKCON

society from Srila Prabhupada does not exist. But just

before his departure, Srila Prabhupada did order

ISKCON to set up ritviks only, as per the July 9th

directive." [back To Prabhupada issue 8]

 

 

 

 

--- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

> "Keep trained up very rigidly and then

> you are

> bona fide guru, and you can accept

> disciples on

> the same principle. But as a matter of

> etiquette

> it is the custom that during the

> lifetime of

> your spiritual master you bring the

> prospective

> disciples to him, and in his absence

> or

> disappearance you can accept disciples

> without

> any limitation. This is the law of

> disciplic

> succession."

>

> (SPL to Tusta Krsna Swami, 2nd

> December, 1975)

>

>

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