Guest guest Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 "The guru must come through the parampara system. Then he is bona fide. Otherwise he is a rascal. Must come through the parampara system, and in order to understand tad-vijnanam, transcendental science, you have to approach guru. You cannot say that "I can understand at home." No. That is not possible. That is the injunction of the all sastra." Hyderabad, August 19, 1976 "One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master." Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.9.43p "This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." Srila Prabhupada lecture December 8th, 1973 "One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." C.C. A 7.54p "Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we become more interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual master. That is enjoined in the next verse. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya, upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva- darsinah. Now, Krsna advises that "If you want to know that transcendental science, then you just try to approach somebody." Pranipatena. Pranipatena, pariprasnena and sevaya. What is pranipata? Pranipata means surrender. Surrender. You must select a person where you can surrender yourself because nobody likes to surrender to anyone. (Srila Prabhupada lecture, August 14th 1966) "The first-class devotee does not at all see anyone who is not in the service of the Lord, but the second-class devotee makes distinctions between devotees and nondevotees. The second-class devotees are therefore meant for preaching work, and as referred to in the above verse, they must loudly preach the glories of the Lord. The second-class devotee accepts disciples from the section of third-class devotees or nondevotees. Sometimes the first-class devotee also comes down to the category of the second-class devotee for preaching work." Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.3.21p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > Let's see if Ramakant & Co. can accept this statement? > > Interviewer: > Now, are you a guru? > > Prabhupada: > Yes, I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of > the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules > and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED by me > spiritually. So therefore the Spiritual Master is called Guru. That is > Sanskrit language." (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview March 12, 1968, San > Francisco) I accept all statements of Srila Prabhupada. And I accept them without interpretation or twisting words. Regarding above statement: If we want to know as whom Srila Prabhupada wanted to be known in the future, then we have to look at his books (the law books for the next 10000 years) and not at a statement spoken in present tense in a radio interview. On the front page of ever book it says, "founder acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness". So he is the founder acarya of ISKCON. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Ramakant prabhu. Pamho. AgtSP. You wrote ... " I accept all statements of Srila Prabhupada. And I > accept them without > interpretation or twisting words." Then you proceeded to give your interpretation on Srila Prabhupada's statement that I gave, as follows ..... "and not at a > statement spoken in present > tense in a radio interview." Isn't this a contradiction? A simple yes or no without the usual bluff & guff will suffice, thank-you. --- "Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)" <Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > > Let's see if Ramakant & Co. can accept this > statement? > > > > Interviewer: > > Now, are you a guru? > > > > Prabhupada: > > Yes, I am the Spiritual Master of this > institution, and ALL the members of > > the Society, they're supposed to be MY disciples. > They follow the rules > > and regulations which I ask them to follow, and > they are INITIATED by me > > spiritually. So therefore the Spiritual Master is > called Guru. That is > > Sanskrit language." (Srila Prabhupada Radio > Interview March 12, 1968, San > > Francisco) > > I accept all statements of Srila Prabhupada. And I > accept them without > interpretation or twisting words. > > Regarding above statement: If we want to know as > whom Srila Prabhupada > wanted to be known in the future, then we have to > look at his books (the law > books for the next 10000 years) and not at a > statement spoken in present > tense in a radio interview. On the front page of > ever book it says, "founder > acarya of the International Society for Krishna > Consciousness". So he is the > founder acarya of ISKCON. > > ys Ramakanta dasa > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email > to: > Initiations.in.ISKCON-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Learn the truth about the ISKCON guru hoax ISKCON Revival Movement - http://www.iskconirm.com Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > Then you proceeded to give your interpretation on > Srila Prabhupada's statement that I gave, as follows > > > "and not at a statement spoken in present tense in a radio interview." > > Isn't this a contradiction? No. By "interpretation" I meant "an explanation of something that is not immediately obvious". It is a fact (what to speak of obvious) that the statement was spoken in present tense in a radio interview. Following would be interpretation and twisting of words: By "I am" Srila Prabhupada meant "I am and I will be". ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Ramakant prabhu. Pamho. AgtSP. You wrote ... > Following would be interpretation and twisting of > words: > By "I am" Srila Prabhupada meant "I am and I will > be". Not so. He spoke this in 1968 and until November 14th 1977 he still was. Therefore "I am" had a future meaning also, NOT only a present tense, as in being that point in time only. --- "Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)" <Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > > Then you proceeded to give your interpretation on > > Srila Prabhupada's statement that I gave, as > follows > > > > > "and not at a statement spoken in present tense > in a radio interview." > > > > Isn't this a contradiction? > > No. > > By "interpretation" I meant "an explanation of > something that is not > immediately obvious". It is a fact (what to speak of > obvious) that the > statement was spoken in present tense in a radio > interview. > > Following would be interpretation and twisting of > words: > By "I am" Srila Prabhupada meant "I am and I will > be". > > ys Ramakanta dasa > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email > to: > Initiations.in.ISKCON-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Learn the truth about the ISKCON guru hoax ISKCON Revival Movement - http://www.iskconirm.com Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > Not so. He spoke this in 1968 and until November 14th 1977 he still was. > Therefore "I am" had a future meaning also, NOT only a present tense, as > in being that point in time only. Yes, that is your interpretation. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Ramakant prabhu. Pamho. AgtSP. you wrote ... By "interpretation" I meant "an explanation of something that is not immediately obvious". It is a fact (what to speak of obvious) that the statement was spoken in present tense in a radio interview. I have also stated a fact that "He spoke this in 1968 and until November 14th 1977 he still was." Do you disagree with this fact? --- "Ramakanta (das) HKS (PAMHO.NET SysOp) (Zurich - CH)" <Ramakanta.HKS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: > Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > > > Not so. He spoke this in 1968 and until November > 14th 1977 he still was. > > Therefore "I am" had a future meaning also, NOT > only a present tense, as > > in being that point in time only. > > Yes, that is your interpretation. > > ys Ramakanta dasa > > ----------------------- > To from this mailing list, send an email > to: > Initiations.in.ISKCON-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > Learn the truth about the ISKCON guru hoax ISKCON Revival Movement - http://www.iskconirm.com Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 > Let's see if Ramakant & Co. can accept this statement? > > > Interviewer: > Now, are you a guru? > > Prabhupada: > Yes, I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, > and ALL the members of the Society, they're supposed > to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and > regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are > INITIATED by me spiritually. So therefore the > Spiritual Master is called Guru. That is Sanskrit > language." (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview March 12, > 1968, San Francisco) We have no problem accepting the statements of Srila Prabhupada. In fact, we understand very well what the teachings mean, so why do you think we have a need for you or anyone else from the outside to tell us? I mean, where do you get the idea? It's just so preposterous. Tell me, how does it feel to be so confused and braind dead as to think that a nobody like KK. Desai has a clue to what the Vedas mean, and that we need him to explain Srila Prabhupada's teachings to us? What are his qualifications? Please tell me that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Dear Madhusudana Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP! > I have also stated a fact that "He spoke this in 1968 and until November > 14th 1977 he still was." > > Do you disagree with this fact? Yes and No. It depends on what you meant by "he still was". If you meant "he still was the spiritual master", then my answer is No. If you meant "he still was speaking in the radio interview", then my answer is Yes. ys Ramakanta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Mohsin Hassan: Yeah, the tenth. After you, is it any decision has been made who will take over? Prabhupada: Yes. All of them will take over. These students, who are initiated from me, all of them will act as I am doing. Just like I have got many Godbrothers, they are all acting. Similarly, all these disciples which I am making, initiating, they are being trained to become future spiritual masters. Mohsin Hassan: How many swamis do you initiated, American? I'm speaking just on... Prabhupada: About ten. Mohsin Hassan: You have ten swamis. And outside of swamis, what's the lower... Prabhupada: Now, they're competent. They can, not only the swamis, even the grhasthas, they are called dasa adhikari, and brahmacaris, everyone can, whoever is initiated, he is competent to make disciples. But as a matter of etiquette they do not do so in the presence of their spiritual master. This is the etiquette. Otherwise, they are competent. They can make disciples and spread" Conversation Detroit July 18, 1971 "This verse is very important to the Krsna consciousness movement. ÉActually the brahmana is supposed to be the spiritual master of all other varnas or sects, but as far as Krsna consciousness is concerned, everyone is capable of becoming a spiritual master because knowledge in Krsna consciousness is on the platform of the spirit soul. To spread Krsna consciousness, one need only be cognizant of the science of the spirit soul. It does not matter whether one is a brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya, sudra, sannyasi, grhastha or whatever. If one simply understands this science, he can become a spiritual masterÉ Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura also states that although one is situated as a brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya, sudra, brahmacari, vanaprastha, grhastha or sannyasi, if he is conversant in the science of Krsna he can become a spiritual master as vartma-pradarsaka-guru, diksa-guru or siksa-guru. One who first gives information about spiritual life is called the vartma- pradarsaka-guru or spiritual master. The spiritual master who initiates according to the regulations of the sastras is called diksa-guru, and the spiritual master who gives instructions for elevation is called siksa-guruÉ Sometimes a caste guru says that ye krsna-tattva-vetta, sei guru haya means that one who is not a brahmana may become a siksa-guru or a vartma-pradarsaka-guru but not an initiator guru. According to such caste gurus, birth and family ties are considered foremost. However, the hereditary consideration is not acceptable to Vaisnavas. The word guru is equally applicable to the vartma-pradarsaka-guru, siksa-guru and diksa-guru. Unless we accept the principle enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this Krsna consciousness movement cannot spread all over the world." "Sir, I am your most obedient servant. Please accept me and give me instructions." Although Arjuna was a very intimate friend of KŠa's, before receiving ®r…mad Bhagavad-g…t€ he surrendered himself, saying, iyas te 'haˆ €dhi m€ˆ tv€ˆ prapannam: "Now I am Your disciple and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me." (Bg. 2.7) This is the proper way to ask for knowledge. One does not approach the spiritual master with a challenging spirit. One should also be inquisitive to understand the spiritual science. It is not that one considers himself superior to the guru. One must first find a guru to whom one can surrender, and if this is not possible, one shouldn't waste his time. By surrendering to the proper person, one can very quickly come to understand transcendental knowledge. TLK 5: Lord Kapila Takes Charge of His Mother, Devah™ti Whatever position one may have, if he is fully conversant with the science of KŠa, KŠa consciousness, he can become a bona fide spiritual master, initiator or teacher of the science. tlc "Krsna is the first spiritual master, and when we become more interested, then we have to go to a physical spiritual master. That is enjoined in the next verse. Tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya, upadeksyanti te jnanam jnaninas tattva- darsinah. Now, Krsna advises that "If you want to know that transcendental science, then you just try to approach somebody." Pranipatena. Pranipatena, pariprasnena and sevaya. What is pranipata? Pranipata means surrender. Surrender. You must select a person where you can surrender yourself because nobody likes to surrender to anyone. (Srila Prabhupada lecture, August 14th 1966) Syamasundara: "Can you associate through a book?" she asked. Prabhupada: Yes, through books, and also personal. Because when you make a spiritual master you have got personal touch. Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual master concrete. So as soon as you make a spiritual master, you should be inquisitive. London, September 23, 1969 "One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." C.C. A 7.54p "This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." Srila Prabhupada lecture December 8th, 1973 "Anyone following the order of Lord Caitanya under the guidance of His bona fide representative can become a spiritual master and I wish that in my absence all my disciples become the bona fide spiritual master to spread Krsna Consciousness throughout the whole world." (SPL to Madhusudana, 2nd November, 1967) "Every student is expected to become acharya. Acharya means one who knows the scriptural injunctions and follows them practically in life, and teaches them to his disciples. I have given you sannyasa with the great hope that in my absence you will preach the cult throughout the world and thus become recognised by Krsna as the most sincere servant of the Lord." (SPL to Tusta Krsna Swami, 2nd December, 1975) "Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession." (SPL to Tusta Krsna Swami, 2nd December, 1975) AC.BHAKTIVEDANTHA SWAMI PRAPHUPADA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 If anyone wants to understand Kanëa, jumping over the spiritual master, then immediately he becomes a bogus. For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me. BG 6.30 If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost. BG 8.58 You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." "This is called parampara system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is parampara system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampara system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." Srila Prabhupada lecture December 8th, 197 "One should not proudly think that one can understand the transcendental loving service of the Lord simply by reading books. One must become a servant of a Vaisnava. As Narottama dasa Thakura has confirmed, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara peyeche keba: one cannot be in a transcendental position unless one very faithfully serves a pure Vaisnava. One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." C.C. A 7.54p master concrete. So as soon as you make a spiritual master, you should be inquisitive. Syamasundara: "Can you associate through a book?" she asked. Prabhupada: Yes, through books, and also personal. Because when you make a spiritual master you have got personal touch. Not that in air you make a spiritual master. You make a spiritual London, September 23, 1969 Prabhupäda: Therefore you have to take the paramparä meaning. Because we are foolish, we cannot understand properly. Tad vijiärthaa sa gurum eväbhigacchet. Therefore, one has to go to guru and understand the meaning by paramparä. You cannot make your own meaning. The meaning is already there. But if you cannot understand, then you should approach guru and understand the meaning by paramparä. "The guru must come through the parampara system. Then he is bona fide. Otherwise he is a rascal. Must come through the parampara system, and in order to understand tad-vijnanam, transcendental science, you have to approach guru. You cannot say that "I can understand at home." No. That is not possible. That is the injunction of the all sastra." Hyderabad, August 19, 1976 So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gétä, then we must understand in the same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called paramparä system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak to you the same thing. So this is paramparä system. You cannot imagine what my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot understand unless you understand it from me. This is called paramparä system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next äcärya, immediate next äcärya. Just like our, this Gau..., Caitanya Mahäprabhu's cult; we cannot understand Caitanya Mahäprabhu directly. It is not possible. We have to understand through the Gosvämés. Therefore you'll find in the Caitanya-caritämata and at the end of every chapter, the writer says, çré-rüpa-ragunätha-pade yära äça caitanya-caritämata kahe kanëa-däsa This is the process. He does not say that "I've understood Lord Caitanya Mahäprabhu directly." No. That is not understanding. That is foolishness. You cannot understand what is Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Therefore repeatedly he says, rüpa-ragunätha-pade... "I am that Kanëa däsa, Kaviräja, who is always under the subordination of the Gosvämés." This is paramparä system. Similarly, Narottama däsa Öhäkura also says, ei chay gosäi jär mui tär däs, "I am servant of that person who has accepted this six Gosvämés as his master. I am not going to be servant of any other person who does not accept the way and means of..." Therefore we say or we offer our prayer to our spiritual master, rüpänuga-varäya te, rüpänuga-varäya te, because he follows Rüpa Gosvämé, therefore we accept, spiritual master. Not that one has become more than Rüpa Gosvämé or more than... No. Täidera caraëa-sebi-bhakta-sane väs. This is the paramparä system. You have to accept Bhagavad-gétä as it is. When you cannot understand, you should get it explained by your spiritual master. Therefore one has to accept a spiritual master to understand. Tad-vijnanärtham. In order to understand that transcendental science one must approach a bona fide spiritual master. That is injunction. So here it is said that känyakubje dvijau. So this is the process. Tava bhatya-sevä. We have to... Ädau gurväçrayam. First beginning of Vainëava life is to accept guru, spiritual master, ädau gurväçrayam, then other things. Because who will teach you? So we have to approach a pure Vainëava as spiritual master, follow his instruction. And what is his instruction? His instruction is as he was instructed by his spiritual master. He does not invent instruction. This is instruction. The pure Vainëava, he does not invent anything new. Yäre dekha täre kaha kanëa upadeça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Caitanya Mahäprabhu says that "You all, every one of you become guru, everyone." Ämära äjiäya guru haia tära ei deça [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Wherever you are living, it doesn't require that you have to travel all over the world. If you have no such capacity, it doesn't matter. You remain wherever you are, but you become a guru. "How I become a guru?" Yäre dekha täre kaha kanëa upadeça: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "Very simple thing. You instruct only what is instructed by Kanëa. That's all." Don't invent. Don't become overintelligent. So try to receive Kanëa's grace through the disciplic succession, Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Then you will understand everything. Yasya deve parä bhaktir yathä deve tathä gurau [ÇU 6.23]. This is the process, Vedic process. One should have unflinching faith in God and spiritual master. Don't jump over God, crossing the spiritual master. Then it will be failure. You must go through. We are observing Vyäsa-püjä ceremony, the birth anniversary of our Guru Mahäräja. Why? We cannot understand Kanëa without spiritual master. That is bogus. If anyone wants to understand Kanëa, jumping over the spiritual master, then immediately he becomes a bogus. Therefore Caitanya Mahäprabhu says, guru-kanëa-kapäya päya bhakti-latä-béja [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. That is Vedic injunction. Tad viddhi praëipätena paripraçnena sevayä [bg. 4.34]. Nobody can understand Kanëa without going through His most confidential servant. This is the meaning of this Vyäsa-püjä. You cannot surpass. If you think that you have become very learned and very advanced, now you can avoid the spiritual master and you understand Kanëa, that is the bogus. That is the meaning of this Vyäsa-püjä ceremony. We should always pray, yasya prasädäd bhagavat-prasädau **. Yasya prasädäd, only by the grace of spiritual master we can achieve the grace or mercy of Kanëa. This is the meaning of this Vyäsa-püjä, offering obeisances by paramparä system. have to go through also, in the same way. First of all, offer respect to the spiritual master, as he has done to Çukadeva Gosvämé. Taa vyäsa-sünum upayämi gurua munénäm. So then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master. Just like you have got the pictures. First of all, your spiritual master, then his spiritual master, then his spiritual master, his spiritual master, his spiritual master-ultimately Kanëa. This is the process. Don't try to approach Kanëa directly, jump over. That is useless. As you receive knowledge through the steps, paramparä system, similarly, we should approach Kanëa through these step. tad viddhi praëipätena paripraçnena sevayä upadeknyanti te jiänaa jiäninas tattva-darçinau Audio SYNONYMS tat-that knowledge of different sacrifices; viddhi-try to understand; praëipätena-by approaching a spiritual master; paripraçnena-by submissive inquiries; sevayä-by the rendering of service; upadeknyanti-they will initiate; te-you; jiänam-into knowledge; jiäninau-the self-realized; tattva-of the truth; darçinau-seers. TRANSLATION Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth. PURPORT The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. No one can be a bona fide spiritual master without following this principle of disciplic succession. The Lord is the original spiritual master, and a person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders. The Bhägavatam (6.3.19) says, dharmaa tu säknäd bhagavat-praëétam: the path of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore, mental speculation or dry arguments cannot help lead one to the right path. Nor by independent study of books of knowledge can one progress in spiritual life. One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge. Such a spiritual master should be accepted in full surrender, and one should serve the spiritual master like a menial servant, without false prestige. Satisfaction of the self-realized spiritual master is the secret of advancement in spiritual life. Inquiries and submission constitute the proper combination for spiritual understanding. Unless there is submission and service, inquiries from the learned spiritual master will not be effective. One must be able to pass the test of the spiritual master, and when he sees the genuine desire of the disciple, he automatically blesses the disciple with genuine spiritual understanding. In this verse, both blind following and absurd inquiries are condemned. Not only should one hear submissively from the spiritual master, but one must also get a clear understanding from him, in submission and service and inquiries. A bona fide spiritual master is by nature very kind toward the disciple. Therefore when the student is submissive and is always ready to render service, the reciprocation of knowledge and inquiries becomes perfect. "One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master." "One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master." "One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master." One must accept a Vaisnava guru (adau gurv-asrayam), and then by questions and answers one should gradually learn what pure devotional service to Krsna is. That is called the parampara system." .. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." .. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." .. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next acharya, immediate next acharya." "A person who is liberated acharya and guru cannot commit any mistake, but there are persons who are less qualified or not liberated, but still can act as guru and acharya by strictly following the disciplic succession." New York, 26 April, 1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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