Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Posted November 4, 2005 As the conference moderator, I could have chosen not to forward Pandu's message. But I have, because I feel with him. I also suffered pain caused by incompetent and/or materially motivated leaders in our society. (Just see, for example, what is being done to the brahmacari ashram) But I didn't let my self sink down into the tamo guna and go astray from the active devotional service in Srila Prabhupada's society. If you allow me, I opine that pass this point the conversation should be continued in private. > > Pandu Prabhu, I'd like to reply comprehensively (if I can find the time), > but I'm concerned that we may be getting far away from the focus of this > conference (which has 134 members who regularly download), as well as the > topic of Danavir Maharaja's letter that started this thread. > > So I'm thinking perhaps you and I should continue our correspondence > privately. What do you think? What do other members of the conference > think? > > > Hare Krsna. > > > > Perhaps I should have said "imbalanced" or "biased" instead of > > "negative," because actually I don't mind the negative as long as it's > > truthful, and I hope to be exposed to both the positive and negative > > because at least it gives a sense that I'm working with honest people. > > > > Of course ISKCON has inspired a lot of people. It's inspired me, and I > > hope it will again. It's just that I became extremely confused when I > > saw the local guru praise and honor an unrepentant child molester; and > > when I asked about that ethical dilemma, I was threatened, conspired > > against, and lied to by his disciples who are the big majority at the > > local devotee community. They even undermined my relationship with my > > guru by having secret conversations with him about me, framing the > > issues against me and setting him up to also lie to me so to not break > > their confidentiality. So today on Govardhana Puja I have no local > > temple to visit, no devotee community to chant Hare Krishna with, and > > I've lost trust in my guru, all because I dared to question someone whom > > the locals believe is beyond question. I asked that question to do my > > part for the ethical integrity of ISKCON, what I saw as a service to > > Srila Prabhupada. I can only hope that Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna > > will protect me. > > > > I came to ISKCON expecting purity, integrity, and honesty from those who > > are cultivating Krishna bhakti. I never expected to see a dishonest and > > unrepentant child molester sitting with sannyasis, getting fanned along > > with them, as shown in the top-left corner of the large picture on this > > page: > > http://www.btswami.com/images/BTG_4.jpg > > > > I was there, sitting near the feet of a disciple of Srila Prabhupada who > > had repeatedly molested a girl, who was lying to everyone about it (and > > had even told the CPO investigators that he would lie), who refused to > > apologize to the girl, slandering her instead; he was sitting with > > sannyasis receiving praise and honor with hundreds of devotees at his > > feet, all while ISKCON is in bankruptcy over widespread, severe child > > abuse. I'm sorry but that just seemed terribly wrong to me, like a > > nuclear assault on my faith. Then having several brahmana Vaishnavas > > lie to me was just too much for me to handle. > > > > So now, regrettably, I'm an outsider, trying to figure out what went > > wrong. I commented on this thread because the Sampradaya Sun has > > helping me to do that, and is giving me some connection with devotees. > > Without that, I'm not sure what I would do. I'm sorry if my letter hurt > > anyone, but if I didn't care so much about ISKCON, I wouldn't say > > anything at all. > > > > Hare Krsna. > > > > Sincerely, > > Pandu das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahadyuti (das) ACBSP (TP Soho St. London - UK) > > > [Mahadyuti.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net] > > > Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:41 PM > > > Danavir Goswami (USA); Mahat-tattva (das); Pandu (das) BMS (Gita > > > Nagari, PA - US) > > > Notice > > > > > > > > > > > That seems a rather negative way of looking at it. > > > > > > Your opening comment (above) is followed by your own letter full of > > > negativity. Please clarify: do you disapprove of negativity in > > general or > > > only that of others? > > > > > > >ISKCON has disappointed a lot of devotees > > > > > > ISKCON also has inspired and continues to inspire "a lot of devotees". > > I > > > wonder if the maxim that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" could > > be > > > applied here. Or, "Is the cup half full or half empty?" Quote
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