guru definition by Srila Prabhupada

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®r… Caitanya Mah€prabhu therefore gives a definition of guru. Y€re dekha,

t€re kaha 'kŠa'-upadea: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] the bona fide guru is he who

advises his disciples exactly in accordance with the principles spoken by

KŠa. The bona fide guru is he who has accepted KŠa as guru. This is the

guru-parampar€ system. The original guru is Vy€sadeva because he is the

speaker of Bhagavad-g…t€ and ®r…mad-Bh€gavatam, wherein everything spoken

relates to KŠa. Therefore guru-p™j€ is known as Vy€sa-p™j€. In the final

analysis, the original guru is KŠa, His disciple is N€rada, whose disciple

is Vy€sa, and in this way we gradually come in touch with the

guru-parampar€. One cannot become a guru if he does not know what the

Personality of Godhead KŠa or His incarnation wants. The mission of the

guru is the mission of the Supreme Personality of Godhead: to spread KŠa

consciousness all over the world.

 

 

Even though we may not have the fortune to contact the Supreme Lord

personally, the Lord's representative is as good as the Lord Himself because

such a representative does not say anything unless it is spoken by the

Supreme Personality of Godhead. ®r… Caitanya Mah€prabhu therefore gives a

definition of guru. Y€re dekha, t€re kaha 'kŠa'-upadea: [Cc. Madhya

7.128] the bona fide guru is he who advises his disciples exactly in

accordance with the principles spoken by KŠa. The bona fide guru is he who

has accepted KŠa as guru. This is the guru-parampar€ system.

 

Because the spiritual master transmits KŠa's instructions without change,

he is the same as the Personality of Godhead.

We understand from Bhagavad-g…t€, na j€yate na mriyate, that "This living

entity is never born, never dies." This information we get, very simple

information. We are taking information from whom? KŠa, jagad-guru, the

supreme guru, the original guru. Guru means KŠa's representative. A guru

cannot be manufactured. Guru means... KŠa is jagad-guru, and one who

speaks on behalf of KŠa or one who speaks as KŠa says, he is guru.

Caitanya Mah€prabhu says, €m€ra €jñ€ya guru hañ€: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "You

just become guru on My order." You cannot become guru automatically without

following the order of jagad-guru. The government servant... Who is

government servant? Who is strictly following the government order, that is

government servant. Anyone can say, "I am government servant." No. How you

can be? Similarly, guru means who is following the principles given by the

jagad-guru. The... He's guru.

So the principle... What is that principle? Sarva-dharm€n parityajya m€m

ekaˆ araŠaˆ vraja [bg. 18.66]. This is principle. "You give up all these

nonsense activities. Simply surrender." So one who has surrendered to KŠa

fully, no other business, he is guru. This is the definition of guru. There

is no difficult to understand who is guru. One who follows strictly the

principles laid down by jagad-guru, he is guru. So the jagad-guru says...

Because we have to learn everything, especially spiritual subject matter,

from guru. Tad-vijñ€n€rthaˆ sa gurum eva abhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. This is

the injunction of the Vedas.

 

So na˜a-pr€yeu abhadreu nityaˆ bh€gavata-sevay€ [sB 1.2.18]. Nityam. This

point we have discussed. The Bh€gavata has to be studied from a person

bh€gavata. Bh€gavata-sevay€. Tad viddhi praŠip€tena paripranena sevay€ [bg.

4.34]. One has to learn Bh€gavatam from a person you can surrender.

PraŠip€tena. Paripranena sevay€. Two things. There must be service and

surrender. And between the two things, surrender and service, there is

pariprana. You cannot ask about spiritual knowledge from a person by

challenging. No. That will not help you. Just like KŠa (Arjuna). When he

was talking with KŠa like friend, the problem was not solved. Then Arjuna

surrendered unto KŠa. ®iyas te 'haˆ €dhi m€ˆ prapannam [bg. 2.7]. He

understood that "Simply by friendly talkings and argument, there cannot be

any conclusion of spiritual life." One must surrender. He knew it. Gurum eva

abhigacchet. Must. Abhigacchet is vidhilin form of verb. Means "he must."

There is no other alternative. So therefore Arjuna submitted. And he was

also enlightened. So simply by hearing from the authoritative sources,

nityaˆ bh€gavata-sevay€, as it is described. But we don't find anywhere:

sapt€haˆ bh€gavata-sevay€. No. Nityaˆ bh€gavata-sevay€.

So nityaˆ bh€gavata-sevay€ [sB 1.2.18]. Na˜a-pr€yeu abhadreu. Abhadra.

Abhadra means the quality of ignorance and passion. They are abominable.

Ignorance is most abominable, abominable, and passion is abominable. These

two things must be given up. But simply by hearing about KŠa, simply by

hearing about ®r…mad-Bh€gavatam, from the person bh€gavatam, one can get rid

of these dirty things, namely mode of ignorance and mode of passion

 

Similarly, in the Bh€gavata also it is said, tasm€d guruˆ prapadyeta [sB

11.3.21]. Tasm€t, "Therefore one must approach guru." The here, in the

Upaniad also gives definition who is guru. Guru means rotriyaˆ

brahma-ni˜ham [MU 1.2.12], "one who has received knowledge by hearing

Vedas," rotriyam. Because Vedas are called ruti.

So those who are in the line of hearing from the preceptorial succession,

disciplic succession... As it is said in the Bhagavad-g…t€, evaˆ

parampar€-pr€ptam [bg. 4.2].

 

 

So points are:surrender,ask questions, hear from person.

 

my question is What Krishna says about Ritvik Philosofy?

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The word ' ritvik' (meaning priest) and its

derivatives actually have 32 separate references in

Srila Prabhupada's books, only slightly less than the

word diksa and its derivatives, which has 41 separate

references in Srila Prabhupada books. Certainly, the

use of ritvik priests to assist in ceremonies is a

concept fully sanctioned in Srila Prabhupada's books:

 

 

Ritvik : 4.6.1 / 4.7.16 / 5.3.2 / 5.3.3 / 5.4.17

/ 7.3.30 / 8.20.22 / 9.1.15 .

 

Rtvijah : 4.5.7 / 4.5.18 / 4.7.27 / 4.7.45 /

4.13.26 / 4.19.27 / 4.19.29 / 5.3.4 / 5.3.15 / 5.3.18

/ 5.7.5 / 8.16.53 / 8.18.21 / 8.18.22 / 9.4.23 /

9.6.35 .

 

Rtvijam : 4.6.52 / 4.21.5 / 8.23.13 / 9.13.1 .

 

Rtvigbhyah : 8.16.55 .

 

Rtvigbhih : 4.7.56 / 9.13.3 .

(all these references are from the Srimad-Bhagavatam)

 

 

 

--- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore gives a definition

> of guru. Yare dekha,

> tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] the

> bona fide guru is he who

> advises his disciples exactly in accordance with the

> principles spoken by

> Krsna. The bona fide guru is he who has accepted

> Krsna as guru. This is the

> guru-parampara system. The original guru is

> Vyasadeva because he is the

> speaker of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam,

> wherein everything spoken

> relates to Krsna. Therefore guru-puja is known as

> Vyasa-puja. In the final

> analysis, the original guru is Krsna, His disciple

> is Narada, whose disciple

> is Vyasa, and in this way we gradually come in touch

> with the

> guru-parampara. One cannot become a guru if he does

> not know what the

> Personality of Godhead Krsna or His incarnation

> wants. The mission of the

> guru is the mission of the Supreme Personality of

> Godhead: to spread Krsna

> consciousness all over the world.

>

>

> Even though we may not have the fortune to contact

> the Supreme Lord

> personally, the Lord's representative is as good as

> the Lord Himself because

> such a representative does not say anything unless

> it is spoken by the

> Supreme Personality of Godhead. Sri Caitanya

> Mahaprabhu therefore gives a

> definition of guru. Yare dekha, tare kaha

> 'krsna'-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya

> 7.128] the bona fide guru is he who advises his

> disciples exactly in

> accordance with the principles spoken by Krsna. The

> bona fide guru is he who

> has accepted Krsna as guru. This is the

> guru-parampara system.

>

> Because the spiritual master transmits Krsna's

> instructions without change,

> he is the same as the Personality of Godhead.

> We understand from Bhagavad-gita, na jayate na

> mriyate, that "This living

> entity is never born, never dies." This information

> we get, very simple

> information. We are taking information from whom?

> Krsna, jagad-guru, the

> supreme guru, the original guru. Guru means Krsna's

> representative. A guru

> cannot be manufactured. Guru means... Krsna is

> jagad-guru, and one who

> speaks on behalf of Krsna or one who speaks as Krsna

> says, he is guru.

> Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana:

> [Cc. Madhya 7.128] "You

> just become guru on My order." You cannot become

> guru automatically without

> following the order of jagad-guru. The government

> servant... Who is

> government servant? Who is strictly following the

> government order, that is

> government servant. Anyone can say, "I am government

> servant." No. How you

> can be? Similarly, guru means who is following the

> principles given by the

> jagad-guru. The... He's guru.

> So the principle... What is that principle?

> Sarva-dharman parityajya mam

> ekam saranam vraja [bg. 18.66]. This is principle.

> "You give up all these

> nonsense activities. Simply surrender." So one who

> has surrendered to Krsna

> fully, no other business, he is guru. This is the

> definition of guru. There

> is no difficult to understand who is guru. One who

> follows strictly the

> principles laid down by jagad-guru, he is guru. So

> the jagad-guru says...

> Because we have to learn everything, especially

> spiritual subject matter,

> from guru. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum eva abhigacchet

> [MU 1.2.12]. This is

> the injunction of the Vedas.

>

> So nasta-prayesu abhadresu nityam bhagavata-sevaya

> [sB 1.2.18]. Nityam. This

> point we have discussed. The Bhagavata has to be

> studied from a person

> bhagavata. Bhagavata-sevaya. Tad viddhi pranipatena

> pariprasnena sevaya [bg.

> 4.34]. One has to learn Bhagavatam from a person you

> can surrender.

> Pranipatena. Pariprasnena sevaya. Two things. There

> must be service and

> surrender. And between the two things, surrender and

> service, there is

> pariprasna. You cannot ask about spiritual knowledge

> from a person by

> challenging. No. That will not help you. Just like

> Krsna (Arjuna). When he

> was talking with Krsna like friend, the problem was

> not solved. Then Arjuna

> surrendered unto Krsna. Sisyas te 'ham sadhi mam

> prapannam [bg. 2.7]. He

> understood that "Simply by friendly talkings and

> argument, there cannot be

> any conclusion of spiritual life." One must

> surrender. He knew it. Gurum eva

> abhigacchet. Must. Abhigacchet is vidhilin form of

> verb. Means "he must."

> There is no other alternative. So therefore Arjuna

> submitted. And he was

> also enlightened. So simply by hearing from the

> authoritative sources,

> nityam bhagavata-sevaya, as it is described. But we

> don't find anywhere:

> saptaham bhagavata-sevaya. No. Nityam

> bhagavata-sevaya.

> So nityam bhagavata-sevaya [sB 1.2.18].

> Nasta-prayesu abhadresu. Abhadra.

> Abhadra means the quality of ignorance and passion.

> They are abominable.

> Ignorance is most abominable, abominable, and

> passion is abominable. These

> two things must be given up. But simply by hearing

> about Krsna, simply by

> hearing about Srimad-Bhagavatam, from the person

> bhagavatam, one can get rid

> of these dirty things, namely mode of ignorance and

> mode of passion

>

> Similarly, in the Bhagavata also it is said, tasmad

> gurum prapadyeta [sB

> 11.3.21]. Tasmat, "Therefore one must approach

> guru." The here, in the

> Upanisad also gives definition who is guru. Guru

> means srotriyam

> brahma-nistham [MU 1.2.12], "one who has received

> knowledge by hearing

> Vedas," srotriyam. Because Vedas are called sruti.

> So those who are in the line of hearing from the

> preceptorial succession,

> disciplic succession... As it is said in the

> Bhagavad-gita, evam

> parampara-praptam [bg. 4.2].

>

>

> So points are:surrender,ask questions, hear from

> person.

>

> my question is What Krishna says about Ritvik

> Philosofy?

>

>

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