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Sankarshan Prabhu

 

Again, you misrepresent our position.

ISKCON has one diksa guru.

Having many acharyas (at some point in time) in the

siksa sense of the word.

 

 

 

--- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

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> Srila Prabhupada said that there would be many

> ISKCON acharyas and the IRM people say that

> he is wrong, that ISKCON will only have one

> acharya. Just see the fun!

>

>

>

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NO. ISKCON HAS MANY SIKSA, DIKSA GURUS,AND ONE FOUND ACHARYA.

 

 

YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE ACARYAS,AND SRILA PRABHUPADA SAID THAT YOU CANT JUMP

OVER NEXT ACARYA WHICH ARE ISKCON GURUS.

IM VERY HAPPY TO SEE IMPROVEMENT.

 

Something from last letter

Madhusudana dasa:

To accept disciples is the main business of a diksa

guru, whereas a siksa guru simply needs to carry on

his duties and preach Krsna Consciousness as best he

can. It is clear from Srila Prabhupada's purports that

in the above verse Lord Caitanya is actually

authorising siksa gurus, not diksa gurus.

 

This is also made abundantly clear in the many other

references where Srila Prabhupada encourages everyone

to become guru:

 

"yare dekha, tare kaha, krsna-upadesa. You haven't got

to manufacture anything. What Krsna has already said,

you repeat. Finish. Don't make addition, adulteration.

Then you become guru [...] I may be fool, rascal [...]

So we have to follow this path, that you become guru,

deliver your neighbourhood men, associates, but speak

the authoritative words of Krsna. Then it will act

[...] Anyone can do. A child can do."

(SP Evening darsan, 11/5/77, Hrsikesh)

 

 

 

Let as see how Srila Prabhupada see same verse

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore gives a definition

of guru. Yare dekha,

tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa: [Cc. Madhya 7.128] the

bona fide guru is he who

advises his disciples exactly in accordance with the

principles spoken by Krsna.

 

 

So Srila Prabhupada said that guru is one who advises his disciples.

According to your explenation above that means diksa guru,so Sri Krishna

Caitanya Mahaprabhu ,and Srila Prabhupada refers to diksa guru,and your

explanation is that they refer to siksa.

 

Do you see way we need guru parampara

 

Guru Parampara ki jay!

 

"The guru must come through the parampara

system. Then he is bona fide.

 

Hyderabad, August 19, 1976

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> Sankarshan Prabhu

>

> Again, you misrepresent our position.

> ISKCON has one diksa guru.

> Having many acharyas (at some point in time) in the

> siksa sense of the word.

So if you want to understand Bhagavad-g…t€, then we must understand in the

same way as the person who directly heard from. This is called parampar€

system. Suppose I have heard something from my spiritual master, so I speak

to you the same thing. So this is parampar€ system. You cannot imagine what

my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some books, you cannot

understand unless you understand it from me. This is called parampar€

system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next

€c€rya, immediate next €c€rya.

>

 

"A person who is liberated acharya and guru

cannot commit any mistake, but there are persons

who are less qualified or not liberated, but

still can act as guru and acharya by strictly

following the disciplic succession."

 

New York, 26 April, 1968

 

 

 

> --- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

> <Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> > Srila Prabhupada said that there would be many

> > ISKCON acharyas and the IRM people say that

> > he is wrong, that ISKCON will only have one

> > acharya. Just see the fun!

> >

> >

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Dear Tripada Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

> You cannot jump over to the superior guru, neglecting the next €c€rya,

> immediate next €c€rya.

 

I have noticed that the IRM people are those who most strictly follow this

rule: They don't jump over their siksa-guru Krishnakant to Srila Prabhupada.

 

ys Ramakanta dasa

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"On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated

person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person

to Krsna Consciousness."

(SP Letter to Janardana, 26/4/68)

 

 

Maha-bhagavata-srestho brahmano vai gurur nrnam

sarvesam eva lokanam asau pujyo yatha harih

maha-kula-prasuto' pi sarva-yajnesu diksitah

sahasra-sakhadhya yi ca na guruh syad avaisnavah

 

 "The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of

devotional service. There are three classes of

devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the

topmost class." (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

 

"When one has attained the topmost position of

maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and

worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of

Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the

post of a guru."

(C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

 

 

 

 

--- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

> > Sankarshan Prabhu

> >

> > Again, you misrepresent our position.

> > ISKCON has one diksa guru.

> > Having many acharyas (at some point in time) in

> the

> > siksa sense of the word.

> So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we

> must understand in the

> same way as the person who directly heard from. This

> is called parampara

> system. Suppose I have heard something from my

> spiritual master, so I speak

> to you the same thing. So this is parampara system.

> You cannot imagine what

> my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some

> books, you cannot

> understand unless you understand it from me. This is

> called parampara

> system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru,

> neglecting the next

> acarya, immediate next acarya.

> >

>

> "A person who is liberated acharya and

> guru

> cannot commit any mistake, but there

> are persons

> who are less qualified or not

> liberated, but

> still can act as guru and acharya by

> strictly

> following the disciplic succession."

>

> New York, 26 April, 1968

>

>

>

> > --- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

> > <Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

> >

> > > Srila Prabhupada said that there would be many

> > > ISKCON acharyas and the IRM people say that

> > > he is wrong, that ISKCON will only have one

> > > acharya. Just see the fun!

> > >

> > >

>

 

 

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"A person who is liberated acharya and guru

cannot commit any mistake, but there are persons

who are less qualified or not liberated, but

still can act as guru and acharya by strictly

following the disciplic succession."

 

New York, 26 April, 1968

 

> "On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated

> person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person

> to Krsna Consciousness."

> (SP Letter to Janardana, 26/4/68)

>

>

> Maha-bhagavata-srestho brahmano vai gurur nrnam

> sarvesam eva lokanam asau pujyo yatha harih

> maha-kula-prasuto' pi sarva-yajnesu diksitah

> sahasra-sakhadhya yi ca na guruh syad avaisnavah

>

>  "The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of

> devotional service. There are three classes of

> devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the

> topmost class." (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

>

> "When one has attained the topmost position of

> maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and

> worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of

> Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the

> post of a guru."

> (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

>

>

>

>

> --- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> wrote:

>

> > > Sankarshan Prabhu

> > >

> > > Again, you misrepresent our position.

> > > ISKCON has one diksa guru.

> > > Having many acharyas (at some point in time) in

> > the

> > > siksa sense of the word.

> > So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we

> > must understand in the

> > same way as the person who directly heard from. This

> > is called parampara

> > system. Suppose I have heard something from my

> > spiritual master, so I speak

> > to you the same thing. So this is parampara system.

> > You cannot imagine what

> > my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some

> > books, you cannot

> > understand unless you understand it from me. This is

> > called parampara

> > system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru,

> > neglecting the next

> > acarya, immediate next acarya.

> > >

> >

> > "A person who is liberated acharya and

> > guru

> > cannot commit any mistake, but there

> > are persons

> > who are less qualified or not

> > liberated, but

> > still can act as guru and acharya by

> > strictly

> > following the disciplic succession."

> >

> > New York, 26 April, 1968

> >

> >

> >

> > > --- "Sankarsana (das) ACBSP (Austin, Texas - USA)"

> > > <Sankarsana.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Srila Prabhupada said that there would be many

> > > > ISKCON acharyas and the IRM people say that

> > > > he is wrong, that ISKCON will only have one

> > > > acharya. Just see the fun!

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

>

> Learn the truth about the ISKCON guru hoax

> ISKCON Revival Movement - http://www.iskconirm.com

>

>

>

>

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> "On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated

> person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person

> to Krsna Consciousness."

> (SP Letter to Janardana, 26/4/68)

>

>

> Maha-bhagavata-srestho brahmano vai gurur nrnam

> sarvesam eva lokanam asau pujyo yatha harih

> maha-kula-prasuto' pi sarva-yajnesu diksitah

> sahasra-sakhadhya yi ca na guruh syad avaisnavah

>

>  "The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of

> devotional service. There are three classes of

> devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the

> topmost class." (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

>

> "When one has attained the topmost position of

> maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and

> worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of

> Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the

> post of a guru."

> (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)

>

>

>

>

> --- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> wrote:

>

> > > Sankarshan Prabhu

> > >

> > > Again, you misrepresent our position.

> > > ISKCON has one diksa guru.

> > > Having many acharyas (at some point in time) in

> > the

> > > siksa sense of the word.

> > So if you want to understand Bhagavad-gita, then we

> > must understand in the

> > same way as the person who directly heard from. This

> > is called parampara

> > system. Suppose I have heard something from my

> > spiritual master, so I speak

> > to you the same thing. So this is parampara system.

> > You cannot imagine what

> > my spiritual master said. Or even if you read some

> > books, you cannot

> > understand unless you understand it from me. This is

> > called parampara

> > system. You cannot jump over to the superior guru,

> > neglecting the next

> > acarya, immediate next acarya.

> > >

> >

> > "A person who is liberated acharya and

> > guru

> > cannot commit any mistake, but there

> > are persons

> > who are less qualified or not

> > liberated, but

> > still can act as guru and acharya by

> > strictly

> > following the disciplic succession."

> >

> > New York, 26 April, 1968

As far as the time of d…k€ (initiation) is concerned, everything depends on

the position of the guru. As soon as a bona fide guru is received by chance

or by a program, one should immediately take the opportunity to receive

initiation. In the book called Tattva-s€gara, it is stated:..."If by chance,

one gets a sad-guru, it doesn't matter whether one is in the temple or the

forest. If the sad-guru, the bona fide spiritual master, agrees, one can be

initiated immediately, without waiting for a suitable time or place."

cc

 

 

So if some of devotees got problems to find pure devotee as guru ,I cant

help much.That is mercy of Lord,and what one Acharya said:we have to cry to

recive Pure soul as spiritual master,and when You see him you should take

diksa on the spot.

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> So if some of devotees got problems to find pure

> devotee as guru ,I cant

> help much.That is mercy of Lord,and what one Acharya

> said:we have to cry to

> recive Pure soul as spiritual master,and when You

> see him

 

 

This is just so much nonsense.

 

"But for all devotional service, the main pillar is

sravanam, hearing. Without hearing, other processes of

devotional service will not be perfect. Therefore

hearing is most important. Hearing, according to our

Vaisnava philosophy, especially Lord Caitanya’s, this

hearing and chanting are two main pillars for

devotional service."

(Bhagavad-gita 3.18-30 --Los Angeles, December 30,

1968)

 

 

>you should take

> diksa on the spot.

>

 

 

 

>From Srila Prabhupada's definitions of diksa and

initiation given below, we shall prove conclusively

that diksa is a process involving the continuous

transmission of knowledge. This process begins with

initiation, which itself is not defined as a ceremony,

but as the serious determination on the part of the

prospective disciple to begin following the orders of

the Guru. This beginning, which is normally

accompanied by a ceremony, is usually mistaken for

being the sum and substance of diksa.

Hence, since diksa does not depend on, or is

fulfilled, by a one-time event such as a ceremony,

there cannot be any link between diksa and the

physical presence of the Guru. Otherwise the process

of diksa would have had to stop for all of Srila

Prabhupada's disciples in 1977 after Srila Prabhupada

departed from the material world:

 

Diksa given by transmitter of transcendental knowledge

 

"In other words, the spiritual master awakens the

sleeping living entity to his original consciousness

so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the

purpose of diksa, or initiation. Initiation means

receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual

consciousness."

(Sri Caitanya caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 9.61, purport,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

 

"Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with

transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed

from all material contamination."

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 4.111, purport,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

 

"Diksa is the process by which -one can awaken his

transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions

caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the

study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as

diksa."

(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 15.108,

purport, A.C. Bhaktivedanta SwamiPrabhupada)

 

Initiation is the beginning of following the process

of Krishna Consciousness - It is not a ceremony

 

"So anyway, from 1922 to 1933 practically I was not

initiated, but I got the impression of preaching

Caitanya Mahaprabhu's cult. That I was thinking. And

that was the initiation by my Guru Maharaja."

(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Hyderabad, 10/12/76)

 

"Initiation is a formality. First of all you have to

decide whether you will abide by the rules and

regulations and become Krsna conscious. That is your

consideration. You have to decide for yourself

whether you are going to take this Krsna consciousness

seriously. That is your decision. Initiation is a

formality. If you are serious, that is real

initiation. If you have understood this Krsna

philosophy and if you have decided that you will take

Krsna consciousness seriously and preach the

philosophy to others, that is your initiation. My

touch is simply a formality. It is your

determination. That is initiation."

(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 'The Search for the

Divine', Back to Godhead, # 49)

 

"...disciplic succession does not always mean that one

has to be initiated oficially. Disciplic succession

means to accept the disciplic conclusion."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dinesh, 31/10/69)

 

"The chanting of Hare Krsna is - our main business,

that is real initiation. And as you are all following

my instruction in that matter, the initiator is

already there."

(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamala Krsna, 19/8/68)

 

"Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing is

knowledge... knowledge. Initiation is formality.

Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and

admission is formality. That is not very important

thing."

(Srila Prabhupada Interview, Chandigarh, 16/10/76)

 

So unless every disciple of Srila Prabhupada completed

the process of diksa in Srila Prabhupada's presence,

and stopped receiving the "pure knowledge of Krishna

consciousness", and "vanquished all reactions caused

by sinful activity" before Srila Prabhupada's

departure, the process of diksa continued post-Srila

Prabhupada's departure.

Hence, since the process of diksa continues in the

absence of the spiritual master, there is nothing in

its definition preventing other, newer devotees from

following this same process. Since the definition of

diksa does not mention that the process has to have

commenced during Srila Prabhupada's physical presence

in order for it to continue working post-physical

departure, the physical absence of the spiritual

master cannot be a reason to deny diksa to newer

devotees.

 

Of course, the Guru must first accept the prospective

disciple, but in the ritvik system set out in the July

9th directive this acceptance was done by the ritvik

on Srila Prabhupada's behalf without any consultation,

even in his physical presence, since the ritvik system

operated for over 4 months before his physical

departure. This is confirmed in a conversation held

just before the July 9th directive was issued, wherein

Srila Prabhupada gives the ritviks full power of

attorney to accept disciples on his behalf without any

referral to himself:

 

 

Srila Prabhupada: So without waiting for me, whoever

you consider deserves. That will depend on

discretion.

Tamala Krishna Goswami: On discretion.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes

Tamala Krishna Goswami: That's the first and second

initiations.

Srila Prabhupada: Hmm!

(Conversation on appointment of ritviks, Vrindavana,

July 7th, 1977)

 

Therefore Srila Prabhupada continues acting as diksa

Guru of ISKCON for ALL devotees, pre and post his

departure. This is confirmed by the fact that Srila

Prabhupada set up the ritvik system via the July 9th

directive to facilitate this giving of diksa to all

persons who would join ISKCON in the future a

directive whose operation did not require the physical

presence of Srila Prabhupada, but instead specifically

employed the use of ritviks to accept disciples on his

behalf without consultation with Srila Prabhupada.

 

 

 

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> What is?

permmition to have disciples

>

>

> --- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> wrote:

>

> > It is coming from Krishna,guru parampara,and srila

> > prabhupada.

> >

>

>

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`Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest

disservice to this movement the last three years

because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as

the appointment of gurus'.

[TKG 1980]

 

 

 

 

--- "Tripada (das) (Split - HR)" <Tripada (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

wrote:

 

> >

> > > So if some of devotees got problems to find pure

> > > devotee as guru ,I cant

> > > help much.That is mercy of Lord,and what one

> Acharya

> > > said:we have to cry to

> > > recive Pure soul as spiritual master,and when

> You

> > > see him

> >

> >

> > This is just so much nonsense.

> >

> > "But for all devotional service, the main pillar

> is

> > sravanam, hearing. Without hearing, other

> processes of

> > devotional service will not be perfect. Therefore

> > hearing is most important. Hearing, according to

> our

> > Vaisnava philosophy, especially Lord Caitanya’s,

> this

> > hearing and chanting are two main pillars for

> > devotional service."

> > (Bhagavad-gita 3.18-30 --Los Angeles, December 30,

> > 1968)

> >

> >

> > >you should take

> > > diksa on the spot.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > From Srila Prabhupada's definitions of diksa and

> > initiation given below, we shall prove

> conclusively

> > that diksa is a process involving the continuous

> > transmission of knowledge. This process begins

> with

> > initiation, which itself is not defined as a

> ceremony,

> > but as the serious determination on the part of

> the

> > prospective disciple to begin following the orders

> of

> > the Guru. This beginning, which is normally

> > accompanied by a ceremony, is usually mistaken for

> > being the sum and substance of diksa.

> > Hence, since diksa does not depend on, or is

> > fulfilled, by a one-time event such as a ceremony,

> > there cannot be any link between diksa and the

> > physical presence of the Guru. Otherwise the

> process

> > of diksa would have had to stop for all of Srila

> > Prabhupada's disciples in 1977 after Srila

> Prabhupada

> > departed from the material world:

> >

> > Diksa given by transmitter of transcendental

> knowledge

> >

> > "In other words, the spiritual master awakens the

> > sleeping living entity to his original

> consciousness

> > so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the

> > purpose of diksa, or initiation. Initiation means

> > receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual

> > consciousness."

> > (Sri Caitanya caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 9.61,

> purport,

> > A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

> >

> > "Diksa actually means initiating a disciple with

> > transcendental knowledge by which he becomes freed

> > from all material contamination."

> > (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 4.111,

> purport,

> > A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)

> >

> > "Diksa is the process by which -one can awaken his

> > transcendental knowledge and vanquish all

> reactions

> > caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the

> > study of the revealed scriptures knows this

> process as

> > diksa."

> > (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 15.108,

> > purport, A.C. Bhaktivedanta SwamiPrabhupada)

> >

> > Initiation is the beginning of following the

> process

> > of Krishna Consciousness - It is not a ceremony

> >

> > "So anyway, from 1922 to 1933 practically I was

> not

> > initiated, but I got the impression of preaching

> > Caitanya Mahaprabhu's cult. That I was thinking.

> And

> > that was the initiation by my Guru Maharaja."

> > (Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Hyderabad, 10/12/76)

> >

> > "Initiation is a formality. First of all you have

> to

> > decide whether you will abide by the rules and

> > regulations and become Krsna conscious. That is

> your

> > consideration. You have to decide for yourself

> > whether you are going to take this Krsna

> consciousness

> > seriously. That is your decision. Initiation is a

> > formality. If you are serious, that is real

> > initiation. If you have understood this Krsna

> > philosophy and if you have decided that you will

> take

> > Krsna consciousness seriously and preach the

> > philosophy to others, that is your initiation. My

> > touch is simply a formality. It is your

> > determination. That is initiation."

> > (Srila Prabhupada Conversation, 'The Search for

> the

> > Divine', Back to Godhead, # 49)

> >

> > "...disciplic succession does not always mean that

> one

> > has to be initiated oficially. Disciplic

> succession

> > means to accept the disciplic conclusion."

> > (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dinesh, 31/10/69)

> >

> > "The chanting of Hare Krsna is - our main

> business,

> > that is real initiation. And as you are all

> following

> > my instruction in that matter, the initiator is

> > already there."

> > (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamala Krsna, 19/8/68)

> >

> > "Well, initiation or no initiation, first thing is

> > knowledge... knowledge. Initiation is formality.

> > Just like you go to a school for knowledge, and

> > admission is formality. That is not very

> important

> > thing."

> > (Srila Prabhupada Interview, Chandigarh, 16/10/76)

> >

> > So unless every disciple of Srila Prabhupada

> completed

> > the process of diksa in Srila Prabhupada's

> presence,

> > and stopped receiving the "pure knowledge of

> Krishna

> > consciousness", and "vanquished all reactions

> caused

> > by sinful activity" before Srila Prabhupada's

> > departure, the process of diksa continued

> post-Srila

> > Prabhupada's departure.

> > Hence, since the process of diksa continues in the

> > absence of the spiritual master, there is nothing

> in

> > its definition preventing other, newer devotees

> from

> > following this same process. Since the definition

> of

> > diksa does not mention that the process has to

> have

> > commenced during Srila Prabhupada's physical

> presence

> > in order for it to continue working post-physical

> > departure, the physical absence of the spiritual

> > master cannot be a reason to deny diksa to newer

> > devotees.

> >

> > Of course, the Guru must first accept the

> prospective

> > disciple, but in the ritvik system set out in the

> July

> > 9th directive this acceptance was done by the

> ritvik

> > on Srila Prabhupada's behalf without any

> consultation,

> > even in his physical presence, since the ritvik

> system

> > operated for over 4 months before his physical

> > departure. This is confirmed in a conversation

> held

> > just before the July 9th directive was issued,

> wherein

> > Srila Prabhupada gives the ritviks full power of

> > attorney to accept disciples on his behalf without

> any

> > referral to himself:

> >

> >

> > Srila Prabhupada: So without waiting for me,

> whoever

> > you consider deserves. That will depend on

> > discretion.

> > Tamala Krishna Goswami: On discretion.

> > Srila Prabhupada: Yes

>

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> `Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest

> disservice to this movement the last three years

> because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as

> the appointment of gurus'.

> [TKG 1980]

 

You must be very desparate to have to resort to this kind of selective

quoting. TKG hated the ritviks with a vengeance.... and with good reason.

Just see the fun. The only way they can prove their case is by right out

lying and selective quoting.

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