beatting women

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> > Why are you so much bent on finding quotes on beating women? Please

> > supply endless quotes on non-violence, compassion, and developing love

> > of God. Afterall, that's what Krishna consciousness is all about.

>

> I'm sure nobody is trying to find excuses for his beating of women. The

> point is, as I see it, that Srila Prabhupada spoke of this things and

> maybe it is wise to understand, and not just cut it away. We cannot take

> just parts of Srila Prabhupada, that fit our sentiments, and throw away

> things that hurt our sentiments. We cannot just speak of non-violence and

> compassion, without properly understanding what that is. If we just take

> our conditioned idea of non-violence, then we may not be in proper

> understanding. We should accept understanding from Srila Prabhupada, is

> it?

>

> =====

> So his business is to give protection to the citizens. So it may be

> sometimes by killing others, he gives protection. We have discussed many

> times the violence and nonviolence. Non... These are contradictory terms,

> but when these two contradictory things are found in saintly persons, we

> must know they are all the same, absolute.

>

> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.16.36 -- Tokyo, January 30, 1974

>

> your servant Giri-nayaka das

Maybe you should be beating up, killing others in the vedic sense means to

equals and not to fysical weaker persons.

 

You should give protection and only then a woman can surrender and not

otherwise.

 

Your servant,

Indrani dasi ·

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In a message dated 12/7/2005 1:20:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Isvara.GGS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

Why are you so much bent on finding quotes on beating women? Please supply

endless quotes on non-violence, compassion, and developing love of God.

Afterall, that's what Krishna consciousness is all about.

 

Please accept my humble my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila

Prabhupada.

 

Thank you prabhu for this comment, it is to the point and truthful. There has

been a troubling aspect to this thread. From my perspective there seems to be

a desire to provoke response to this seemingly morbid fascination with the

very limited number of quotes that can be found about beating women. In the

collective body of literature available to us, there are in fact so many more

quotes about other things more conducive to and indicative of Krsna

consciousness.

Let us focus and imbibe those quotes before focusing on the exceptions.

 

What we do know is that there are only a few quotes on the subject, one that

is perhaps Srila Prabhupada's playful anecdote about his childhood

relationship with his sister (one would have to examine the conversation in

context to

know for sure and I do not have the time at the moment) but certainly no

specific instruction or example from Srila Prabhupada to beat anyone, woman,

child,

sudra or otherwise.

 

I submit that to be the perpetrator of beatings of any kind, one must be

very certain that such an act is righteous and not simply a display of anger

and

or frustration. Having such certainty about one's rightful position to "lord

it over" another living entity is not the usual display of a humble Vaisnava

character we normally aspire to. In other words, justifying beating someone,

whomever it may be, is really walking on thin ice as far as Vaisnava behavior

goes. Perhaps if one is of Srila Bhaktisidhanta's devotional stature, one can

brandish the "stick" of devotional life, i.e. heavy language and apparent

judgements. Until that day comes, if it ever does, it is perhaps the humble

attititude we should cultivate and not the purusha attitude.....just a humble

opinion

from one grateful woman who has never been literally beaten in devotional

life, yhs, Kanti dasi