Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Dec 13, 2005:

 

Dear Ramakanta Prabhu,

PAMHO, AGTSP,

 

You boldly claim:

 

> “I have not only understood what you wrote but I have also refuted it.”

 

You have refuted somebody, but his name is Ramakanta:

 

You wrote in your previous posting:

 

> “I did not write that Srila Prabhupada announced he would stop being the

> diksa guru for ISKCON. So this is a straw man argument.”(Ramakanta Dec 10,

> 2005 - 05:09 AM)

 

Yet when I answered previously your question:

 

> “Did Srila Prabhupada announce that he will stop being the sole diksa-guru

> for ISKCON?” Ramakanta Dec 02, 2005 - 10:43 PM

 

With the following:

 

"Based on available evidence, which is the only evidence that matters with

regards how ISKCON is meant to run, he did not."

 

You disagreed with me and said:

 

> He announced it:

>

> On April 22, 1977 Srila Prabhupada said, "Yes. I shall choose some guru. I

> shall say, 'Now you become acarya. You become authorized.' I am waiting

> for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training

> must be complete."

> (By "guru" he meant "regular guru" as confirmed on May 28, 1977 by "When I

> order, 'You become guru,' he becomes regular guru.") Dec 03, 2005 - 07:15

> PM

 

Thus you have contradicted yourself.

 

‘He announced it” (Ramakanta das)

 

So once again you have falsely accused me of posing a straw man argument. I

can assure you you have not refuted any of my points, as you shall see as we

go through them one by one.

Warmest best wishes

Ys

Yadu

 

 

This is not a challenge, I am just trying to clarify your position regarding

the following statement you made:

 

> ‘You gave the example of chanting Hare Krishna. Please note that the

> instruction to chant 16 rounds Hare Krishna is written in Srila

> Prabhupada's books...’ (Ramakanta das Dec 13, 2005 - 08:34 AM)

 

Are you saying that all Srila Prabhupada’s orders for ISKCON not accompanied

by the words ‘this order should continue past my/Srila Prabhupada’s

departure’ must be stopped, EXCEPT the ones specifically mentioned in his

books? ‘Yes’ , ‘no’ or ‘I don’t know’ will be fine. If ‘no’ then please

clarify what your position actually is. thanks.

ys

Yadu