beatting women

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> > But can it be

> > possible, that there is some beating, that is not only present even

> > in highly cultured circles, but is even considered beneficial and

> > protective? And comes out of duty to protect nad educate, and is

> > free of after-frustration-anger and envy? Because, if all beating is

> > horrible, and is to be condemned and is a sign of low class

> > personality deeply in lower modes of nature, why is it described

> > even in cultural shastric descriptions, and thus relished by great

> > sages and vaisnavas.

 

Can you kindly tell us where in shastra has it been described about the

beating of women being relished by sages? I can only think of Sage Jamadagni

who asked his son Parasurama to kill his mother as he was aware of her

moment's unchaste thoughts after seeing a handsome devata. But that instance

just reveals that sages too have their weak moments, when they act rashly.

 

Violence is a sign of weakness or impatience, an easy option to give vent to

our emotions and justify it as doing good to the victim. Srila Prabhupada

also advised us to only show the stick to children but never use it. Love is

a greater power than a show of physical strength. The power of love and

forgiveness shames the wrong doer much more than beating, which may cause a

lot of mental disturbance, besides physical, to the person. But that

patience and loving explanations can make anyone be receptive to good

counsel. If we look at them as spirit souls, we will have faith in their

inherent goodness. But if we look at only their external selves and

behavior, we will become impatient and intolerant and have no faith in their

capacity to think and change.So it requires greater self controll and self

realization to resort to the method of love.If some one resorts to the easy

passionate method of beating, then he is obviously not so evolved.As

Vaishnavas I think we certainly must try to be more evolved in our behavior.

 

> I suggest you have the answer. When the beating is to help and protect

> the dharma and with love, then it is good. On the other hand, loveless

> beating is condemned as adharmic violence. Trying to get rid of both I

> understand as part of a liberal/leftist agenda (stemming from

> impersonal philosophies) to undermine family and ultimately dharma.

 

You have to be liberated like Krishna to cause violence with love! Any

violence that we do normally is tinged with the lower modes due to our

material attachment.

 

> In East Europe where I grew it was a kind of normal that kids were

> sometimes beaten when they did something bad. It was a fast, 'instant

> karma' which really made one understand the mistake better than any

> other punishments. As a kid I never took it as harmful or that my

> parents are evil and should be reported to the police, etc. as we see

> nowadays.

>

 

Maybe as a boy, it did not cause you much pain and maybe you were not

mindful of an occasional beating. But is it the same with beating women who

have very delicate bodies? Can you imagine how terriorized they must feel

being overpowered by a strong male who has no idea of how delicate they are

and may cause a lot of physical and mental harm? And where do you draw the

line? Can you see how dangerous this permission can be? People can start

abusing Vaishnavis all in the name of "lovingly correcting them".

 

Vaishnavis are not animals. they are amenable to proper reasoning, love and

gentle behavior. If the husband wants he can take the help of another

Vaishnava or close relative to sort out some problems, but resorting to

violence is certainly a very weak and timid option...

 

Very humbly,

Your servant,

Prema Padmini dd