Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 > Advanced Seminar Experience (60-hour, 7 days) > > In the Advanced Seminar you discover in yourself qualities and capacities > for manifesting profoundly rewarding results and experiences in your life. > Continuing your personal development from the Foundational Seminar, you > explore your past and realize how it influences you. Consciously taking > from your history what is useful and productive, you become inspired and > driven by your vision and commitments, leaving behind patterns that no > longer work. The Advanced Seminar provides a challenging, breakthrough > environment for you to connect with your authentic self and soar to new > heights. > > > how can I serve you? These socalled 'beautiful' seminars of Dhira Govinda have been banned in ISKCON because they have absolute nothing to do with Krishna consciouness. Why is this crap being advertised on a devotee network? Connect with your authentic self and soar to new hights?? Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 > > These socalled 'beautiful' seminars of Dhira Govinda have been banned in > ISKCON because they have absolute nothing to do with Krishna consciouness. > Why is this crap being advertised on a devotee network? > > Connect with your authentic self and soar to new hights?? Good grief. Yes, much better to cling to institutionalized self righteousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 > > > > > > These socalled 'beautiful' seminars of Dhira Govinda have been banned in > > ISKCON because they have absolute nothing to do with Krishna > > consciouness. Why is this crap being advertised on a devotee network? > > > > Connect with your authentic self and soar to new hights?? Good grief. > > Yes, much better to cling to institutionalized self righteousness. You sound like any other self righteous moron I meet en masse on the internet. You must be really deluded if you think that an ordinary, confused, conditioned soul like Dhira Govinda is fit to teach us about our authentic selves and help us reach new soaring hights. Let me ask you this: Why do you think that he has been banned from conducting his socalled seminars on ISKCON property? And if ISKCON is just another institution to you, what are you even doing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 > > > These socalled 'beautiful' seminars of Dhira Govinda have been banned in > > > ISKCON because they have absolute nothing to do with Krishna > > > consciouness. Why is this crap being advertised on a devotee network? > > > > > > Connect with your authentic self and soar to new hights?? Good grief. > > > > Yes, much better to cling to institutionalized self righteousness. > > You sound like any other self righteous moron I meet en masse on the > internet. I believe you. I am sure you regularly associate with many you perceive as a "self righteous moron(sic)". Or perhaps you don't, perhaps it is your perception. Remember, our consciousness does color our perception. When Krsna entered the wrestling arena with Balarama and Their friends, He appeared differently to different people according to their different relationships (rasas) with Him. KB 43: The Killing of the Elephant Kuvalayapida You must be really deluded if you think that an ordinary, > confused, conditioned soul like Dhira Govinda is fit to teach us about our > authentic selves and help us reach new soaring hights. Good one. Two for one sale on ad hominems in Jahnu land today. And the added touch of creating the straw man argument and then attacking it. Textbook examples, really. For the record, you seem to believe I have an opinion on Dhira Govinda. I don't. I have no interest in his seminars and have never researched them. Ergo, I have no basis for an opinion. I immediately deleted the e mail about the seminars and would have not thought a moment more about them if you hadn't reacted so strongly. To quote you:" they have absolute(sic) nothing to do with Krishna consciouness" That struck me, because I thought every thing came from Krsna. It may be negative or positive, but it is all connected. That, according to you, it has "absolute (sic) nothing" is kind of inconsistent with my concept of Krsna. > > Let me ask you this: Why do you think that he has been banned from > conducting his socalled seminars on ISKCON property? I don't know. I wasn't part of the decision making process. Were you? Could you refer me to any official ISKCON statements about why he was banned? I will tell you that there are a substantial amount of devotees who believe, rightly or wrongly, that he was banned because of a too rigourous stance on ISKCON allowing known child abusers to remain in positions of respect, despite the strong objections of gurukulis who wanted them removed. >And if ISKCON is just > another institution to you, what are you even doing here? Force of habit. ISKCON is represented externally by an institution that, just like all institutions, is subject to error. I think there is more to Srila Prahbupada's movement than the external institution, and I also believe that the true ISKCON cannot be entered by formulistic adherence to some set of cultural rules and blind allegiance to the external institution. But again, the straw man rears his head. I never said ISKCON "is just another institution". To me, it will always be special and worth preserving despite all the dangers institutions inherently face. To quote myself: "Yes, much better to cling to institutionalized self righteousness" Please note I never refered specifically to ISKCON, it was a response to a comment you made that seemed to say finding the authentic self was not a worthy venture. If you meant to be sarcastic, well, I guess I did too. Hare Krsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 I see I have to simplify my language so you understand. Let me try again - if you think that an ordinary, confused, deluded, conditioned soul like Dhira Govinda is fit to teach us about our authentic selves and help us reach new soaring heights of awareness, then we may as well finish the conversation now, because there is little point discussing anything with the deluded. That applies also to your belief that DG was banned due to his stance on child abuse. Who are you anyway? I remember you from Topical Discussions ranting on endlessly with your opinion about how bad ISKCON is, how useless the leadership is, and anything else you wanted to gripe about. Of course, we didn't see much of you when Topical Discussions was on PAMHO -- only after it went to the address did you really cut loose. Just another nobody with an axe to grind. Once -- just once! -- I would like to hear something of substance from such a source...but alas it is never forthcoming. Now I'm bored... PS. As the old song goes, O, Mountain man. 'Go tell it on a mountain, over the hills and far away....' > I believe you. I am sure you regularly associate with many you perceive > as a "self righteous moron(sic)". Or perhaps you don't, perhaps it is your > perception. Remember, our consciousness does color our perception. > > When Krsna entered the wrestling arena with Balarama and Their friends, He > appeared differently to different people according to their different > relationships (rasas) with Him. > > KB 43: The Killing of the Elephant Kuvalayapida > > You must be really deluded if you think that an ordinary, > > confused, conditioned soul like Dhira Govinda is fit to teach us about > > our authentic selves and help us reach new soaring hights. > > Good one. Two for one sale on ad hominems in Jahnu land today. And the > added touch of creating the straw man argument and then attacking it. > Textbook examples, really. > > For the record, you seem to believe I have an opinion on Dhira Govinda. I > don't. I have no interest in his seminars and have never researched them. > Ergo, I have no basis for an opinion. I immediately deleted the e mail > about the seminars and would have not thought a moment more about them if > you hadn't reacted so strongly. To quote you:" they have absolute(sic) > nothing to do with Krishna consciouness" That struck me, because I thought > every thing came from Krsna. It may be negative or positive, but it is all > connected. That, according to you, it has "absolute (sic) nothing" is > kind of inconsistent with my concept of Krsna. > > > > > Let me ask you this: Why do you think that he has been banned from > > conducting his socalled seminars on ISKCON property? > > I don't know. I wasn't part of the decision making process. Were you? > Could you refer me to any official ISKCON statements about why he was > banned? I will tell you that there are a substantial amount of devotees > who believe, rightly or wrongly, that he was banned because of a too > rigourous stance on ISKCON allowing known child abusers to remain in > positions of respect, despite the strong objections of gurukulis who > wanted them removed. > > >And if ISKCON is just > > another institution to you, what are you even doing here? > > Force of habit. ISKCON is represented externally by an institution that, > just like all institutions, is subject to error. I think there is more to > Srila Prahbupada's movement than the external institution, and I also > believe that the true ISKCON cannot be entered by formulistic adherence to > some set of cultural rules and blind allegiance to the external > institution. > > But again, the straw man rears his head. I never said ISKCON "is just > another institution". To me, it will always be special and worth > preserving despite all the dangers institutions inherently face. To quote > myself: "Yes, much better to cling to institutionalized self > righteousness" Please note I never refered specifically to ISKCON, it was > a response to a comment you made that seemed to say finding the authentic > self was not a worthy venture. If you meant to be sarcastic, well, I > guess I did too. > > Hare Krsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 > I see I have to simplify my language so you understand. Please do simplify. You don't seem very adept with more complex speech. >Let me try again - > if you think that an ordinary, confused, deluded, conditioned soul like > Dhira Govinda is fit to teach us about our authentic selves and help us > reach new soaring heights of awareness, then we may as well finish the > conversation now, because there is little point discussing anything with the > deluded. The last one who did the personal attack thing on me in order to draw attention away from what I actually said, labeled me demented. So I must must be making advancement. I have been upgraded to deluded. > Who are you anyway? Aham brahmasmi. > Now I'm bored... If I had to listen to your internal dialogue, I would be bored too. > PS. As the old song goes, O, Mountain man. 'Go tell it on a mountain, over > the hills and far away....' I offer my respectful obeisances to Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu, by whose mercy even a lame man can cross over a mountain and a dumb man recite Vedic literature. Antya 1.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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