Ghira Govinda Seminar in Navadvipa 2006

[Guest guest]

> I am personally a loyalist to ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada and I am

> entirely convinced that the six exchanges of love mentioned in the nectar

> of instruction and practiced by Srila Prabhupada and many of his sincere

> followers are the medicine to most psychological problems.

>

> My proposal is that we, together, should make sure that our movement

> becomes so caring, so loving, so devotional that these courses will simply

> run out of business.

 

We already are, Pranava. I have never met such loving, caring devotee as in

ISKCON. You won't find them anywhere else. Just seeing the wonderful

examples of all the devotees in ISKCON - how they serve Krishna and their

guru year after year despite all odds is enough to inspire a stone. Sure

there are faults, sure you meet people you don't like or even abusive

people, but it is still the only place you can go and get rid of your false

ego and become free from your anarthas. And it is still the only movement on

the planet who is fulfilling Chaitanya Mahaprabhus mission of spreading the

holy name in every town and village. No one else is doing that. That alone

should be enough for us to bow down in eternal gratitude in the dust at the

lotus feet of ISKCON and thank our lucky star that we were picked up by its

devotees. I mean, just imagine what our lives would have been like if we had

not met ISKCONs devotees. But I agree with you that we should work together

to make it even better.

 

ys, jdd

[Guest guest]

In Do you for one moment

think that you can go to, say, Chaitanya Math or any other bone fide Gaudiya

Math and conduct a Dr. Phil seminar like Dhira Govindas? I think the answer

is clear.

 

Jadurani and others from Narayana Maharaja's have taken his seminarsmovement

took it. Jadurani praised it.

 

<Try and ask Srila Prabhupada in

your heart, or confer with his books, to see if it is ok to attend a seminar

devised by materialists to help better cope with the mind. Is it not clear

what he would say?>

 

 

It was devised by a devotee. Materialists don't do the same thing DG does in

his seminars.

 

<Anyone who lacks faith in Prabhupada's standard program for mental and

conscious

development is an atheist in ISKCON.>

 

Who decides who lacks faith in Srila Prabhupada?

 

<I can tell you with absolute certainty that there has never been a person

anywhere who became a better Vaishnava by attending DG's program. >

 

Without meeting everyone who has taken his courses, it is not possible to

make such a statement. Let's keep things philsophical here. .

 

<That doesn't mean you became a better

devotee. To say that sannyasis and leaders in ISKCON have attended DG's

seminar doesn't mean they have become better devotees by it.>

 

 

It doesn't mean they haven't either.

 

Just wanted to let you know all your information is not accurate.

 

Your servant,

 

Mahatma das

[Guest guest]

>

> In Do you for one moment

> think that you can go to, say, Chaitanya Math or any other bone fide

> Gaudiya Math and conduct a Dr. Phil seminar like Dhira Govindas? I think

> the answer is clear.

>

> Jadurani and others from Narayana Maharaja's have taken his

> seminarsmovement took it. Jadurani praised it.

>

It is of course troubling when we hear of such and such devotees of this

temple or that math attending the DG course on life transformational skills

or whatever. I remembered years ago when devotees were attending courses of

Werner Erhardt, Lazarus, then Stevey Covey, etc., (I was a victim to some of

these courses), but at the end, you realise there is absolutely no value to

any of this psychoanylitical courses. The only person benefiting are the

course conductors as they were busy laughing their way to the banks. What

can be more life transformational than what is contained in the writings of

the acaryas, absorbed in the association of advance devotees. This also have

to do with contempt of the process. When devotees have been around for long

time, and everything in their devotional life is pretty the same, no real

taste of Krishna's names developing, no valued association with devotees

based on the teachings of Srila Rupa Goswami, no real appreciation of other

devotee's standing in devotional life; everything becomes very much

contemptous in Krishna consciousnesss. Like, I have heard it all, I have

seen it all etc. The result is devotees feel emptiness in their lifes.

Therefore all these courses comes handy to these devotees. Seeking the

association of advance devotees becomes secondary or nonexistence, but would

rather hit the road and attend this seminare or that seminare. The most

dangerous part of this comes when you hear this Swami or that guru attends

the courses and actively promoting it. It is all different manifestations of

maya. Didn't Krishna even marvel at Maya about her operations after His

killing of Aghasura?

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura had written that only way to get free from

dog-like Kali is to take to the chanting of the holy names of Lord Caitanya.

 

ys, Isvara dasA.