Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Posted by Yaduraja on Jan 11, 2006:

 

Dear Ramakanta prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

We have set out our proofs in the NCIP paper I asked you to read some time

back. Points a), b) and c) express the same in a simplified form. You are

meant to be disproving what we have proved. This is the mountain I refer to.

 

You will not disprove our position by contradicting yourself. If you

contradict yourself you will only look silly, and will be disproving your

own position, not ours. I am wondering if you are really cut out for this

debating stuff. Three times you have endorsed the wording of point a):

 

> "I accept your point a) provided you replace it with following statements:

>

> 1) Srila Prabhupada was the sole diksa guru for ISKCON from 1966 to 1977.

> 2) Srila Prabhupada set things up that way in 1966."

 

(Ramakanta das Nov 30, 2005 - 10:38 AM)

 

> This is what we agreed:

>

> Srila Prabhupada was the sole diksa guru for ISKCON from 1966 to 1977.

> Srila Prabhupada set things up that way in 1966.

 

(Ramakanta Dec 31, 2005 - 08:36 PM)

 

And again you qualify the wording you would find acceptable:

 

> Also if you combine these two statements, you have to combine them by the

> word "and", nothing else:

>

> 1) Srila Prabhupada was the sole diksa guru for ISKCON from 1966 to 1977.

> AND

> 2) Srila Prabhupada set things up that way in 1966.

 

(Ramakanta Jan 02, 2006 - 04:25 PM)

 

But you then contradict yourself by saying:

 

> Statement 1) describes a status quo and 2) describes an activity. It is

> unproven that the status quo 1) was caused by the activity 2). But your

> combined statement says exactly that.

 

(Ramakanta Jan 02, 2006 - 04:25 PM)

 

As I repeat:

 

In 2), the phrase ‘that way’ refers directly to the status quo as outlined

in 1).

 

Therefore by agreeing with 1) and 2) but then denying a causal link between

2) and 1) you have contradicted yourself again.

 

Do you agree that you have once again contradicted yourself? Please don’t

waste another two weeks trying to avoid the obvious. thanks.

Best wishes

Ys

Yadu