Strategy for defeating a weak atheist

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That was a joke mainly for Jahnu P. 8) These are aikido techniques.

 

Aha, ok Yes, these techniques most be very helpfull in preaching

 

> > Aside tarko apratisthat, was it Ramanuja who said that logic

> > cannot prove existence of God? It can, however, defeat atheism.

>

> Well, are there more than these two options:

>

> 1) An almighty God exist

> 2) An almighty God does not exist

>

> If there are no third option then if you can disprove one you have

> proven the other, is'nt it?

 

Yes, philosophically it is one or the other. But the actual acceptance

of the Lord may be a long way for a merely defeated but not internally

reformed atheist.

 

Oh, yes They are not affraid of having a contradictory philosophy anyway!

 

"I'm personally not as skeptical about Christianity as a general ISKCON

devotee may be since I got a chance to learn some more about it.

Catholicism (with its more than 20 rites aside Roman Catholic one) and

Eastern Orthodoxy, aside from their history and power misuse of all

kinds, have the best preserved theology culminating with the message

of bhakti. Still, the lack of karma and reincarnation is a serious

philosophical weak point. (One could say that this is similar to

Buddhism where Sakyamuni Buddha didn't want to speak about jiva and

isvara since they were unnecessary to his eightfold path. So

similarly, one can become a bhakta even without bothering about karma

and reincarnation. Especially if he is not too inquisitive...)"

 

Yes, there are some Christian traditions which are quite good. As far as I

know some of the gnostic traditions have nice philosophy - at least better

than atheism. But protestant so called Christian philosophy is exstremly

poor in my view - that's what we have in Denmark.

 

"The usual way. Someone said that one uses a stick when

lacking/exhausting arguments. But the ISKCON history can be quite

damaging in this regard and unfortunately it cannot be changed.

I know people who don't want to have anything to do with ISKCON

because of this and some young devotees left after finding out about

it."

 

Yes, it's too bad. It's really bad what happened, also very much for the

preaching. And it's difficult to not answer these things in a debate,

especially if they start to blaspheme ISKCON, the Vedic striptures and

Prabhupada. But if you answer you are dragged into an endless debate over

all the bad things that happened in ISKCON plus all the bad things that

did'nt happen in ISKCON, and what could happen, and what maybe happened etc.

Ys, AKD