Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

 

> Harikesa is your diksa guru therefore you must accept his authority on all

> matters, you can’t cherry pick.

 

No, I don't have to accept his authority on all matters. I can reject him.

Note that when I wrote "He is my diksa guru", I meant "He is the spiritual

master who initiate me", just that. And he would remain that even if I

rejected him. (In chapter 80 of the Krishna Book Srila Prabhupada said: "the

spiritual master who initiates the disciple is called diksa-guru".)

 

 

> Harikesa promoted the GBC two thirds majority voting system as bona fide

> for decades.

 

Did you assume that I knew that? No, I did not know it.

 

 

> That is the identical process by which all ISKCON gurus become gurus.

 

No, by this process they do not become authorized diksa-gurus. The

authorization must come from Srila Prabhupada.

 

 

> No ISKCON guru claims he has been independently authorised by some extra,

> mystical, hidden, esoteric intervention by Srila Prabhupada (if that is

> what you are hinting at).

 

Maybe. But this does not mean they have not been authorized by Srila

Prabhupada.

 

 

> Therefore you must accept all ISKCON gurus as equally authorised.

 

No, I do not accept what you think I must accept.

 

The fact is that I do not accept ISKCON’s gurus are proven to be authorized

representatives of God, as you claimed. And, besides Krishna, I am the only

person who can authoritatively tell you what I accept and what not. So if by

logical reasoning (or whatever) you come to the conclusion that I accept it,

then who is right, you or I?

 

Thus I have demonstrated that by applying logic you came to a wrong

conclusion. You also apply logic to Srila Prabhupada's statements. But

unlike me he does not correct you when you are wrong. So what is the

guarantee that your conclusions from Srila Prabhupada's statements are

correct?

 

 

> After this we can then go onto the next level of self-contradiction,

> Harikes’s new philosophy.

 

I don't know his new philosophy. So don't waste time. Just prove your claim

that before Srila Prabhupada conducted the first initiation ceremony in

ISKCON he had already set things up to be the sole diksa guru for ISKCON. Or

are you unable to prove it? It seems so.

 

 

ys Ramakanta dasa