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Prabhup€da: That depends on him. If one is determined that "I shall only act

according to the advice of my Guru Mah€r€ja," then he's perfect. One has to

submit like Arjuna said, œi¢yas te 'haˆ œ€dhi m€ˆ prapannam [bg. 2.7].

Otherwise he'll argue.

 

Devotee: Even nitya-siddha has guru.

 

Yaœomat…nandana: Even the liberated soul, nitya-siddha.

 

Prabhup€da: Liberated soul never says that "I am liberated." As soon as he

says "liberated," he's a rascal. A liberated soul will never say that "I am

liberated." That is liberated. Caitanya Mah€prabhu, He is God—guru more

m¦rkha dekhi' karila œ€san [Cc. ¨di 7.71]. "My Guru Mah€r€ja saw Me a fool

number one, and he has chastised Me." He's God. This is the example. If one

remains always a servant ever-lastingly of guru, then he is liberated. And

as soon as he thinks that he is liberated, he's a rascal. That is the

teaching of Caitanya Mah€prabhu. Guru more m¦rkha dekhi'. Caitanya

Mah€prabhu is m¦rkha? Why He's posing Himself that m¦rkha? "I am fool number

one." That means that is liberation. You must be ready always to be

chastised by guru. Then he's liberated. And as soon as he thinks that "I am

beyond this chastisement, I am liberated," he's a rascal. Why Caitanya

Mah€prabhu says guru more m¦rkha dekhi' karila œ€san? This is sahajiy€-v€da.

He is thinking, "Oh I have become liberated. I don't require any direction

of my guru. I'm liberated." Then he's rascal.

 

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