Let's defeat some arguments

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> (6) .: God has had and has not had the feelings of lust and envy.

> (By (1) - (5).)

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> (7) God does not exist. (By (5) & (6)

> Q. E. D.)

 

 

Please, this is even lower that anna-maya. Lust-maya, whatever. "I'm lusty,

therefore I am". What a nonsense!

 

Lets defeat something else here! Namely, frivolous sport of arguing with

crazy-nonsense-ordinary-rascal atheists.

 

Check this out! Srila Prabhupada from october 1975!

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Prabhupada: Therefore Krsna said that "Bhagavad-gita should be discussed

amongst My devotees, not amongst the rascals." It will be waste of time. Ya

imam paramam guhyam mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati. Find out this verse.

Pusta Krsna:

ya idam paramam guhyam

mad bhaktesv abhidhasyati

bhaktim mayi param krtva

mam evaisyaty asamsayah

[bg 18.68]

"For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service

is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me."

Prabhupada: Not to the fools and rascals. So first of all, to give them

chance, let them come to the temple, take prasadam, hear sankirtana, offer

obeisances by imitating others. In this way, when they become little

devotee, then instruct. Otherwise it will be useless. You'll waste your time

by arguing.

Pusta Krsna: You have given the example that the field has to be plowed

before the seed is sown, cultivated.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Cyavana: The mind has to want that higher taste.

Prabhupada: Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So this process...

Bring the... Invite them. Chant Hare Krsna, dance, give them prasadam.

Everyone will take part in this way, not immediately instructing that "You

are not this body; you are soul." He will not be able to.

Cyavana: It's too difficult.

Prabhupada: Therefore this process is recommended. Caitanya Mahaprabhu

argued with Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, Prakasananda Sarasvati, not with

ordinary public. Ordinary public -- "Go on chanting Hare Krsna and dancing."

Never argued, neither He discussed Bhagavatam. For ordinary public-four

hours' kirtana, chanting and dancing, bas. And then give them sufficient

prasadam: "Take prasada." This process... Because unless he has got little

sraddha, he will simply put some false argument and waste your time. Not in

the beginning. Mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati. First of all create him a devotee

a little. Chant Hare Krsna-harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc.

Adi 17.21] -- only. Because this is Kali-yuga, people are so fallen, so

downtrodden, so rascal, cats and dogs. It is very difficult. But this

process -- chanting of Hare Krsna maha-mantra, giving them chance to hear it

and take prasadam -- that will cure. And that is easily accepted by anyone.

It doesn't matter what he is. Anyone will accept. To chant and dance and

take prasadam -- no one will disagree. So this is the process. When they

come to the temple... Just like these boys. You are offering obeisances;

they are also offering. But that will go to their credit, to become bhakta.

This process should be adopted. Not in the beginning, but in the beginning

give them prasadam, chant Hare Krsna. And try to sell some book. You pay

something. That means he is giving some service, the hard-earned money. That

will also go to his credit. And then, when he'll concerned that "I have paid

for it. Let me see what this nonsense has written. All right. Read." And

that will also convince him. This is the way. He'll keep this body, book,

and show some friend, so the infection will go on.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- October 4, 1975, Mauritius

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"For ordinary public-four hours' kirtana, chanting and dancing, bas." And

prasadam, and books! Now defeat this, if you dare!

 

your servant Giri-nayaka das