Let's defeat some arguments

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> Preaching is never a waste of time if somebody wants to listen. Take up

> the challenge in intelectual way. Don't hammer people like the sudras if

> they are philosophers. Sudra preaching to them will not work.

 

Philosophers? Please remember, that I was responding to quoted arguments of

one who said: " God has had and has not had the feelings of lust and envy. &

God does not exist." This is no philosopher. It is useless sudra drunkard

speculator. If one can twist some words it doesn't make him philosopher. Of

course, it is western kali-yuga, and devotees are simple persons, but still,

not everybody who can speak more than five words in one sentence is

philosopher. "God is above lust, but we are lusty, and He knows our lust, so

He is lusty too, so He cannot be God, therefore there is no God!" What kind

of sudra stupidity is this? Maybe he sounds a philosopher to some, still he

is a fool number one, and is highly valued by other such fools.

 

Discussing with such persons is not preaching, it is waste of time. Or at

best it is a nice sporting activity, mental basketball. You can do it, if it

makes you feel good, but it is still frivolous sport.

 

your servant Giri-nayaka das

 

 

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>

> Srila Prabhupada writes:

>

> I have requested the members of the Krsna consciousness movement to

> challenge and defeat these rascals, who are misleading the entire human

> society. People should not think that the devotees of Krsna are mere

> sentimentalists. On the contrary, the devotees are the greatest

> philosophers and the greatest scientists. (TQK 24)

>

> They have no knowledge. Still they’re passing as scientists, philosophers,

> and misleading persons. This is our greatest grief. Therefore I am

> requesting you all: just make a plan to face these rascals and defeat

> them. (SB lecture 1.8.41)

>

> Prabhupäda: ...is that the whole world is running on a false theory that

> life is born out of matter. But that is not a fact. So how to defeat this

> theory? That is our business. We have to defeat this rascal theory. We

> have to challenge all these rascals and defeat them. How it is possible?

> Svarüpa Dämodara: By logic.

> Prabhupäda: By logic, by science. Anyway, that we have to make program.

> (Morning walk May, 3 1973)

>

> Prabhupäda: How they can defeat us? We have got so solid ground. How they

> can defeat, these rascals? We consider them simply rascals and fools. And

> we call them rascals and fools. What do they know of religion? What do

> they know of God? They know slaughterhouse and killing and illicit sex,

> and killing the fetus. That’s all. What do they know? They are not even

> civilized. We have come to make them civilized. (Room conversation

> November 2, 1976)

>

> ...we must learn all of us, to defeat these nonsense rascals, and curtail

> this epidemic of Impersonalism,, which is fatal to the innocent people. We

> can stop this epidemic with this information of Krishna Consciousness, and

> it is our duty to do it. (Letter to Upendra 3.1.1968)

>

> You will be happy to know that I am preparing a book on commentaries on

> your Western philosophers, so that all of my students may defeat these

> nonsense rascals who are simply speculating this and that and misleading

> the people. If we sincerely try to present our philosophy at every

> opportunity, eventually it will be heard and appreciated. (Letter to

> Lalita Kumar 15, November 1971)

>

> We could find some more quotes but the essence is to preach when someone

> has a qualification for that. So, lets study and preach cooperatively.

> Together we are stronger.

>

> Srila prabhupada ki jay

> Hare Krishna

> ys:ARd

>

> "Giri-nayaka (das) BVS (Ljubljana - SLO)" <Giri-nayaka.BVS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> wrote:

> > (6) .: God has had and has not had the feelings of lust and envy.

> > (By (1) - (5).)

> >

> > (7) God does not exist. (By (5) & (6)

> > Q. E. D.)

>

>

> Please, this is even lower that anna-maya. Lust-maya, whatever. "I'm

> lusty, therefore I am". What a nonsense!

>

> Lets defeat something else here! Namely, frivolous sport of arguing with

> crazy-nonsense-ordinary-rascal atheists.

>

> Check this out! Srila Prabhupada from october 1975!

> ==============================

> Prabhupada: Therefore Krsna said that "Bhagavad-gita should be discussed

> amongst My devotees, not amongst the rascals." It will be waste of time.

> Ya imam paramam guhyam mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati. Find out this verse.

> Pusta Krsna:

> ya idam paramam guhyam

> mad bhaktesv abhidhasyati

> bhaktim mayi param krtva

> mam evaisyaty asamsayah

> [bg 18.68]

> "For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional

> service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me."

> Prabhupada: Not to the fools and rascals. So first of all, to give them

> chance, let them come to the temple, take prasadam, hear sankirtana, offer

> obeisances by imitating others. In this way, when they become little

> devotee, then instruct. Otherwise it will be useless. You'll waste your

> time by arguing.

> Pusta Krsna: You have given the example that the field has to be plowed

> before the seed is sown, cultivated.

> Prabhupada: Yes.

> Cyavana: The mind has to want that higher taste.

> Prabhupada: Ceto-darpana-marjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So this process...

> Bring the... Invite them. Chant Hare Krsna, dance, give them prasadam.

> Everyone will take part in this way, not immediately instructing that "You

> are not this body; you are soul." He will not be able to.

> Cyavana: It's too difficult.

> Prabhupada: Therefore this process is recommended. Caitanya Mahaprabhu

> argued with Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya, Prakasananda Sarasvati, not with

> ordinary public. Ordinary public -- "Go on chanting Hare Krsna and

> dancing." Never argued, neither He discussed Bhagavatam. For ordinary

> public-four hours' kirtana, chanting and dancing, bas. And then give them

> sufficient prasadam: "Take prasada." This process... Because unless he has

> got little sraddha, he will simply put some false argument and waste your

> time. Not in the beginning. Mad-bhaktesv abhidhasyati. First of all create

> him a devotee a little. Chant Hare Krsna-harer nama harer nama harer

> namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21] -- only. Because this is Kali-yuga, people

> are so fallen, so downtrodden, so rascal, cats and dogs. It is very

> difficult. But this process -- chanting of Hare Krsna maha-mantra, giving

> them chance to hear it and take prasadam -- that will cure. And that is

> easily accepted by anyone. It doesn't matter what he is. Anyone will

> accept. To chant and dance and take prasadam -- no one will disagree. So

> this is the process. When they come to the temple... Just like these boys.

> You are offering obeisances; they are also offering. But that will go to

> their credit, to become bhakta. This process should be adopted. Not in the

> beginning, but in the beginning give them prasadam, chant Hare Krsna. And

> try to sell some book. You pay something. That means he is giving some

> service, the hard-earned money. That will also go to his credit. And then,

> when he'll concerned that "I have paid for it. Let me see what this

> nonsense has written. All right. Read." And that will also convince him.

> This is the way. He'll keep this body, book, and show some friend, so the

> infection will go on.

>

> >>> Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation -- October 4, 1975, Mauritius

> =========================

>

> "For ordinary public-four hours' kirtana, chanting and dancing, bas." And

> prasadam, and books! Now defeat this, if you dare!

>

> your servant Giri-nayaka das

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