Official Ramakanta vs. IRM discussion thread

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Dear Yaduraja Prabhu, PAMHO. AGTSP!

 

You presented following as an attempt to prove that in 1966 Srila Prabhupada

wanted to be the sole diksa guru for ISKCON (the deliberate outcome

described by your statement) and not just a diksa guru for ISKCON:

 

> But the other Ramakanta has already agreed that it has been proven that

> Srila Prabhupada made himself recognised and accepted as ‘the sole diksa

> guru for ISKCON’, not just ‘a diksa guru for ISKCON’. So you need to have

> a word with the other Ramakanta and when you have sorted it out let me

> know whether one of you can answer the following question:

>

> Since you apparently agree that Srila Prabhupada always acted

> deliberately, and that we do not need to read his mind to know this since

> it is within the very definition of the term ‘Krishna Consciousness’, do

> you therefore agree that when...

>

> “Srila Prabhupada made himself recognised and accepted as the sole diksa

> guru for ISKCON in 1966” (a fact you agree is proven)

>

> he did so deliberately? I shall just keep asking this till you answer.

 

Obviously, this is not a proof.

 

I will not answer your question for following reasons:

- I will not help you in any way in your attempt to produce a proof or to

defeat me.

- You don't answer my questions either.

- I did not ask you to prove that Srila Prabhupada acted deliberately.

 

It seems you did not understand my challenge. So I will explain it again:

 

On Nov 16, 2005 you wrote:

 

"Srila Prabhupada set himself up, deliberately, in the position of the sole

diksa guru for ISKCON in 1966."

 

According to your latest explanations, this describes an outcome, not how he

did it. So you were saying that the outcome (to be the sole diksa guru for

ISKCON) was deliberate, intentional. In other words, you were saying that in

1966 Srila Prabhupada wanted to be the sole diksa guru for ISKCON. You were

not saying in above statement that he acted deliberately.

 

Therefore please produce a proof that in 1966 Srila Prabhupada wanted to be

the sole diksa guru for ISKCON and not just a diksa guru for ISKCON. I want

to see a proof that the outcome was desired. I am not interested in a

discussion whether Srila Prabhupada acted deliberately or not.

 

Or please prove that following is wrong:

 

Srila Prabhupada wanted several diksa gurus for ISKCON. So he asked his

godbrothers to help him in ISKCON. But no-one wanted to help him. Therefore

he had no other choice than to make himself recognized and accepted as the

sole diksa guru for ISKCON, although he wanted more than one diksa guru.

 

ys Ramakanta dasa