Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 > I have an issue here on the outskirts of Buenos Aires which is somewhat of > a problem - flies. > > Both the reform group and ISKCON farms, which are near to each other, are > based in areas where there is a high concentration of industrialised > chicken and pig farms. As environmental regulations here are frequently > ignored, this means that flies are like a plague. One eats outside and > flies come in their masses and cover the plate, practically as one is > eating. > There is this understanding amongst the devotees that flies do not spread > disease, as it is said they do not by some vedic literature that I have > never seen. > On the other hand, visitors find it abominal for in no cases do we protect > the areas with mesh or use other protective methods. > > So, my question is two-fold: > 1) Do flies pass diseases as believed in the West, or not, as supposodely > claimed in the Vedas? > 2) Other than flie meshes, what other methods can be used on the farm, not > in the pig and flie places (as there is nothing we can do there), like > burning plant oils with citronella? > Thank you. > Gopananda dasa Dear prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Yes cleanliness is way to remove flies etc. But here the situation is different. They are living surrounded by pig and chicken farms. I visit our Lavanga latika mataji's place regularly and remember her farm having more no. of flies because of 1or 2 chicken farms near by. Not that her house/farm was not clean but being in proximity of these farms do have prascence of flies any amount of cleanliness one can maintain. The problem is serious one. Even if we maintain cleanliness to highest standard but if we are in vicinity of these farms the effect is there. Also killing isn't the solution as killing is not going to effect in any way as we will kill even millinos but in neighbouring areas they will multiply im billions and it will be same. Killing may be sanctioned if benefit will be reaped. Just like some of us might be killing mosquitos. Since so many years so many mosquitos have been killed. but it has not decreased thier no. So why this violence. Prevention is only solution although I may not have one for flies. I being born and raised in India also have never heard that flies do not cause diseases. In my home we never purchased sweets filed with flies as we see in some places in India. If a communtiy os society is made up of naturally strong resistant(immune) power then they can say flies do not cause disease as it will not cause disease to them. Your Servant Madan Gopal Das Duck is good flies eater and can be kept in cow shed. So that it eats flies off the cows. But this seems a serious, grave and unfortunate situation. Plate covered by flies as soon as we sit. Your Servant Madan Gopal Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Thank you conference for your replies. Therefore, what I have gleemed from this is this: No-one here has come across this idea that flies do not spread disease as is said by the reform devotees in claim that it is said in a vedic literature? Prevention and internal cleanliness. Prevention: Nets around all places to stop them entering. Total cleanliness in kitchen and serving areas. What about natural repelants? Incence, burning cow dung in kitchen, plant oil with citronella? Any more secrets here? And what about when we have more animals, especially cows; how to stop the flies giving them such a hard time? There is nothing we can do here about the problem. Within a 10 mile radius from chicken and pig farms flies are a plague for all. Thank you very much. My opinion about what to do with a naturally dead cow is what I have understood from reading Prabhupada, who is the only guru in the Vaisnava line that I have read who dedicates so much to the implementation of Varnasrama and Cow Protection: A dead cow should be skinned and its body used. Its meat fed to animals, its bones crushed and used on the land. If there are no sudra types to do it, then any vaisnava should do it. It is not that a vaisnava is a sudra, brahmana or whatever. First and foremost he or she is a servant of a servant of ..... and must do all that is required in the service of the mission. But obviously those who are of less intelligence and more basic workers should be employed to do the work if it becomes a regular feature. Sentimentality here is misplaced, exactly as Krsna tells Arjuna in the Gita. The body is a machine, a cloth to be put on and taken off. As we would have no problem cutting up old clothes to use in other ways, or to break up an old car to use, so should be the same with any body where the life force has departed; it is now only a body of rotting matter. The soul and personality of the cow has left it. Prabhupada was extremely utilitarian in all regards, and there are many quotes of his to show his view on this. For me, it is that we become fond of the animals and then can not seperate respect for the animal when alive with respect when it is now only rotting flesh. I have helped skin a cow before, but then I did not know the animal and just helped, nothing more. Thank you all for keeping this conference going. Gopananda dasa "Madan Gopal (das) RNS (Chowpatty, Mumbai - IN)" <Madan.Gopal.RNS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> mark john <gopanandadasa (AT) (DOT) co.uk>; Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Monday, 1 May, 2006 7:36:00 AM Flies - vedicly pure or not > I have an issue here on the outskirts of Buenos Aires which is somewhat of > a problem - flies. > > Both the reform group and ISKCON farms, which are near to each other, are > based in areas where there is a high concentration of industrialised > chicken and pig farms. As environmental regulations here are frequently > ignored, this means that flies are like a plague. One eats outside and > flies come in their masses and cover the plate, practically as one is > eating. > There is this understanding amongst the devotees that flies do not spread > disease, as it is said they do not by some vedic literature that I have > never seen. > On the other hand, visitors find it abominal for in no cases do we protect > the areas with mesh or use other protective methods. > > So, my question is two-fold: > 1) Do flies pass diseases as believed in the West, or not, as supposodely > claimed in the Vedas? > 2) Other than flie meshes, what other methods can be used on the farm, not > in the pig and flie places (as there is nothing we can do there), like > burning plant oils with citronella? > Thank you. > Gopananda dasa Dear prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Yes cleanliness is way to remove flies etc. But here the situation is different. They are living surrounded by pig and chicken farms. I visit our Lavanga latika mataji's place regularly and remember her farm having more no. of flies because of 1or 2 chicken farms near by. Not that her house/farm was not clean but being in proximity of these farms do have prascence of flies any amount of cleanliness one can maintain. The problem is serious one. Even if we maintain cleanliness to highest standard but if we are in vicinity of these farms the effect is there. Also killing isn't the solution as killing is not going to effect in any way as we will kill even millinos but in neighbouring areas they will multiply im billions and it will be same. Killing may be sanctioned if benefit will be reaped. Just like some of us might be killing mosquitos. Since so many years so many mosquitos have been killed. but it has not decreased thier no. So why this violence. Prevention is only solution although I may not have one for flies. I being born and raised in India also have never heard that flies do not cause diseases. In my home we never purchased sweets filed with flies as we see in some places in India. If a communtiy os society is made up of naturally strong resistant(immune) power then they can say flies do not cause disease as it will not cause disease to them. Your Servant Madan Gopal Das Duck is good flies eater and can be kept in cow shed. So that it eats flies off the cows. But this seems a serious, grave and unfortunate situation. Plate covered by flies as soon as we sit. Your Servant Madan Gopal Das ----------------------- To from this mailing list, send an email to: Cow-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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