Hay4sale, & Gita-nagari Ratha Yatra date

[Guest guest]

Is there really much difference between allowing beef cattle to graze on

devotee land, or their owner growing and cutting hay for them and taking

it out on devotee land? Does a little money really nullify it? It

seems to be supporting the beef industry. quite directly. What a pity

devotees do not farm the land in USA. ys Labangalatika dasi.

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Noma T. Petroff <npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu>

Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:52 AM

Re: Hay4sale, & Gita-nagari Ratha Yatra date

 

 

> Hmmm... This is a very tricky question. I will be very interested to see

what

> we learn from the suggestions of others on this conference.

>

> Certainly, it's not ideal. And at one point, I was also one of the ones

who

> was adamantly against the idea of even selling hay for outside animals,

given

> that they are all headed to the slaughter house eventually.

>

> But, again, I feel that my perspective has shifted over the years. I'm

> thinking maybe that viewpoint is too fanatical.

>

> It seems to me that based on my last impression of Gita-nagari, there is a

good

> likelihood that if this neighbor does not do the haying, it will not get

cut at

> all -- and all the fields will begin to be overgrown and unuseable. I

know

> that my husband has a tiny plot of land that used to belong to his

grandfather.

> I remember that when we were just married in the 1970's we would walk over

the

> potato field there. But eventually the grandfather got old and died and

the

> field was allowed to be covered, first with weeds, then bushes and now it

has

> many trees growing on it -- some are pine trees that have 8 inch trunks

(20 cm)

> and are 15 feet (2.5 meters) tall.

>

> For our purposes, this is alright, because the area around that property

is

> being developed, and the trees sheild us from the neighbors -- but if that

> happened to Gita-nagari, it would be quite ashame to ruin the fields like

that.

>

> So from a practical perspective, I think it's better for the neighbor to

keep

> cutting the hay and paying Gita-nagari for it.

>

> And, putting things in perspective, it's my feeling that he won't keep

doing it

> for many more years. Within 10 or 15 years I would expect that the price

of

> petroleum will be too high for him to afford to run his tractor and

continue

> harvesting the hay.

>

> From the perspective of permaculture, it has to be considered whether or

not

> the nutrients he is hauling off the land in the form of hay are being

replaced.

> Do the devotees still spread manure on the fields in the winter? Does the

> neighbor or the devotees spread lime on the fields? What measures are

being

> taken to make sure that the nutrients are not depleted from Gita-nagari's

rich

> soil?

>

> I'm definitely interested to hear about this -- and also I'm interested to

hear

> what others think is the right thing to do in this situation.

>

> ****************

>

> On another topic, my family is hoping to join one of our neighbors for a

treck

> to Gita-nagari for Ratha-Yatra this summer -- but we haven't been able to

find

> the date. Is it July 23 or July 30? My daughter Maharani says that a

number

> of gurukuli's from Satya's ashrama in the 1980s are hoping to have an

informal

> reunion at Gita-nagari's country-style Ratha-Yatra. But we can't find any

> information about it online. Do you have any information, Pandu Prabhu?

>

> your servant,

>

>

> Hare Krsna dasi

>

> -

> "Pandu (das) BMS (Gita Nagari, PA - US)" <Pandu.BMS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

> Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:00 pm

> Hay4sale, was ... RE: Horses on ISKCON owned or rented land

>

> > >

> > > Noma T. Petroff [npetroff (AT) bowdoin (DOT) edu]

> > > Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:14 PM

> > > Cow (Protection and related issues)

> > > Re: Horses on ISKCON owned or rented land

> > >

> > > Since I was one of the main people who pushed for the section

> > prohibiting

> > > cows

> > > meant for slaughter from grazing on ISKCON property, I'll contribute

> > my

> > > feelings on the question.

> > >

> >

> > What do you think about selling hay to outside farmers? Currently

> > GitaNagari has a contract with a local farmer who cuts hay for his

> > animalsand for sale. Presumably the animals who eat the hay

> > eventually get

> > slaughtered, and it's doubtful that they get very good treatment in

> > general (though I don't personally know the animals in question).

> > Thosein favor said that sale of the hay generates needed revenue;

> > and that we

> > are not cut off from the world with other things, and this is no

> > different. The subject generated a heated debate over several issues

> > that the situation touches.

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> >

> > Pandu das

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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