Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 > Prabhu, could you provide some references for the definitions? yes, those were from http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/weebies/weebies1.html. They seemed simple enough for me to get a basic understanding of what it is all about. Although I must admit, tha I didn't understand much as well. All this terms like "non-government interventionist approach", "free market", "state-socialism" and "state-capitalism" ... its like chinese to me. My english is limited to Prabhupada's ISKCON english, meaning quite simple english. Besides I'm not academically educated in social sciences. Maybe somebody can put this definitions in simple to understand language? I'd really appreciate that. ys gnd > > I think perhaps the definitions in the quoted email are a bit over > simplified, too. For example, the magazine The Public Interest in its > final issue of a forty-year run, has much to say about what is a > neoconservative, as it credits itself as one of America's driving forces > behind the formation of that category at all. From the magazine: > > "For the first seven years of its existence, /The Public Interest/ was > generally regarded (and regarded itself) as a moderately liberal > journal. The editors and most of the contributors, after all, were > registered Democrats. Pat Moynihan was in the Kennedy and Johnson > administrations, and in 1968, I was on a Hubert Humphrey campaign task > force. It was the election of 1972 that precipitated the first political > divisions in our community. Daniel Bell could not bring himself to vote > Republican and unenthusiastically endorsed George McGovern. About this > time, he also stepped down as co-editor, to be replaced by another old > friend-and, as it happened, Democrat-Nathan Glazer. I, on the other > hand, repelled by McGovern's views on foreign policy, unenthusiastically > endorsed Nixon's reelection. My Republican vote produced little shock > waves in the New York intellectual community. It didn't take long-a year > or two-for the socialist writer Michael Harrington to come up with the > term "neoconservative" to describe a renegade liberal like myself. To > the chagrin of some of my friends, I decided to accept that term; there > was no point calling myself a liberal when no one else did. And I had to > face the fact that voting for Richard Nixon was, in the university world > and in the intellectual world generally, the equivalent of a Jew > ostentatiously eating pork on Yom Kippur. It was an act of > self-excommunication. In fact, some of my critics regarded it as > especially heinous for a Jew to abandon the creed of liberalism. For > them, neoconservatism was seen as a religious as well as a political > heresy." (Kristol, Irving. "Forty Good Years." _The Public Interest_ > Spring 2005. Viewed on 27 June 2005. > <http://www.thepublicinterest.com/current/article1.html>) > > I recommend reading the article (and some of the other articles online > there) and contrast them with the oversimplified definition of > "neoconservative" below. I think how the authors of this journal, which > credits itself in part with developing the term and culture with it, is > more useful for our purposes in the matter of trying to understand > peoples attitudes. Here is the URL for the article: > http://www.thepublicinterest.com/current/article1.html, and others like > "Neoconservative from the Start" by Nathan Glazer are also worth a read: > http://www.thepublicinterest.com/current/article2.html > > Giri-nayaka (das) BVS (Ljubljana - SLO) wrote: > > >pamho. agtSP. > > > >Lets please define terms like liberal, conservative, left, right.... > > > >This are political terms and I'm not sure if I understand properly what > >you are saying, when you are using them. My political knowledge is > >"zero". > > > >Here is one definition from web. Did you mean the same, when using those > >words? > > > >ys gnd > > > >========== > >Original Liberal - Also know as classical liberal. Someone who values > >rights over traditional values. Someone who espouses personal rights and > >freedom over state rights. Advocates a free market, non-government > >interventionist approach. Sees government as a necessary evil, whose only > >function is to protect people's rights and freedom. See Classical > >Liberalism for more info. > > > >Original Conservative - Also known as classical conservative. Someone who > >values traditional values over rights. Someone who espouses traditional > >personal rights and freedom over state rights. Advocates a free market, > >non-government interventionist approach. Sees government as a necessary > >evil, the only function of which is to protect people's rights and > >freedom. See Classical Conservatism for more info. > > > >Liberal, Left Wing - Someone who leans toward state-socialism and the > >right of the state to interfere in people's lives. Believes everyone > >should think, talk and act just like he does and is willing to use the > >power of the state to force people to comply. > > > >Conservative, Right Wing - Someone who leans toward state-capitalism and > >the right of the state to interfere in people's lives. Believes everyone > >should think, talk and act just like he does and is willing to use the > >power of the state to force people to comply. > > > >Neo-Liberal - Someone who believes in state-socialism and > >state-capitalism, as long as it is the "liberal" type (i.e. he gets > >credit for it), the right of the state over the individual, the need for > >the state to intervene and control all aspects of a person's life. He > >thinks your life and property belong to the state, and a person's only > >purpose is to serve the state. > > > >Neo-Conservative - Someone who believes in state-capitalism and > >state-socialism, as long as it is the "conservative" type (i.e. he gets > >credit for it), the right of the state over the individual, the need for > >the state to intervene and control all aspects of a person's life. He > >thinks your life and property belong to the state, and a person's only > >purpose is to serve the state. > > > >Liberal versus conservative is a false dichotomy. Both are not mutually > >exclusive of one another. The more one embraces either the free market or > >the state, the more conservatives/liberals converge on one another. The > >true issue that people should be focusing on is freedom versus slavery, > >personal rights versus state rights, the free market versus the state > >interventionist economy. > >============== > > > >----------------------- > >To from this mailing list, send an email to: > >Prabhupada.Siddhanta.Study.Group-Owner (AT) pamho (DOT) net > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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