Poor feeding doesn't solve the problem

[Guest guest]

GREAT Maharaja agreed 100%

But how are you planning to convince them to take to Krishna

Consciousness? By ignoring them, by pretending they do not exist, by

building big big marble temples, by having SB classes in our temples

attended by a handful of committed devotees, by telling them you feed

poor children and then give them a BBT book, by eating in the MVT

restaurant while they are outside the gate begging, by having programs

in reach people's home. You cannot understand that for these people

there is no present and there is no future, but WE have the power in

our hands to make them devotees, to have them chant Hare Krishna and to

live a life of dignity, or we can choose to ignore them and let them

rot in the name of religion.

In our Sandipani Muni school we have 450 poor destitute children

wearing tilak and chanting hare Krishna every day all day, also

reciting Bhagavad Gita slokas by heart every day, they are worshipping

deities and they are chanting sarira avidya jan before taking prasada.

is that Maya?? would SP disapprove of that??

In the villages with ourtsocial development programs hundreds of women

are chanting namaon vishu padaya every time they meet, all of them have

japa and most of them are chanting at least 1 or more rounds every day.

YES people are without Krishna consciousness because we are to damm

locked up in our little world (sorry I should say little comfortable

world)!

You are still quoting Srila Prabhupada and we can also keep quoting him

in an incredible positive way. Where are we gonna end up? maybe the

conclusion is that SP just confused us by giving dual instructions?

Instead of burying our heads in books all the time, we should look

outside, there is a reality out there and that is that people are

suffering and before you can bring them to Krishna you will have to

show some compassion and care to them or they will not hear you at all.

 

Thanks

your servant

rupa raghunath das

www.fflvrindavan.org

On 26 Apr 2005, at 22:05, Bhakti Vikasa Swami wrote:

 

> "Because people are without Krsna consciousness, they have become

> thieves,

> and consequently they are being punished by the laws of material

> nature. No

> one can check this, not even by introducing so many relief funds and

> humanitarian institutions. Unless the people of the world take to Krsna

> consciousness, there will be a scarcity of food and much suffering."

> ----SB 4.18.8

>

[Guest guest]

>· HG Priyavrata prabhu was recently in Mayapur, and spent some time in the

>· courtyard, showing everyone what he was doing with FFL through brochures

>· and photo albums. It was actually very inspiring to see the work they did

>· in Sri Lanka: hundreds of children were left orphaned and homeless, but

>· are now living in the Hare Krishna orphanage, attending school, taking

>· prasad, chanting, wearing tilak, and receiving a Vaisnava education and

>· upbringing. There is nothing mundane about this, though externally it

>· seems that we are performing charity work. These children are devotees,

>· pure and simple. They weren't before, but they're now devotees. Their

>· upbringing in Krishna consciousness will remain with them for the rest of

>· their lives. That's preaching, not charity. And we are, first and

>· foremost, a preaching mission.

>·

>· Your servant

>· Braja Sevaki dd ¾

 

Thank you, mother Braja Sevaki.

[Guest guest]

The answer is simple--if the quote is being misapplied, that is as

wrong as making a false statement. For instance, to give a quote about

mundane welfare work in the context of discussing FFL is to infer (at

least the way it was done this time) that FFL is mundane welfare work.

Does this point really escape you or were you attempting disingenious

humor with your last question?

Krd

On May 2, 2005, at 6:22 AM, Bharata (dasa) BVKS (BBT, Mumbai - IN)

wrote:

 

> It would be interesting to note in this discussion that Maharaja has

> not

> made any personal comments, he has only sent direct quotes from Srila

> Prabhupada. It is difficult to understand why some people should be

> offended

> by reading them.

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Kurt Mausert <mausert (AT) mac (DOT) com>

>>> April 29, 2005 11:22:42 AM EDT

>>> Rupa <rupa (AT) kinkari (DOT) com>

>>> Cc: "(Krsna) Katha" <Katha (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Madana-mohana MG

>>> <Madana-mohana.MG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> (Sender:

>>> Bhakti.Visrambha.Madhava.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net), Mahesh Pandit Patna

>>> <sharma_mahesh2000 >, Samvit Dasi <sixgoswamis (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>,

>>> BVKS Sanga <BVKS.Sanga (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Bhakti Vikasa Swami

>>> <Bhakti.Vikasa.Swami (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Vijaya Govinda (das) BSDS (Chennai

>>> -

>>> IN)" <Vijaya.Govinda.BSDS (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Nitai Pada Kamala (IDS)"

>>> <nitaipadakamaladas_ids >, Quotes <Quotes (AT) pamho (DOT) net>,

>>> Prabhupada Said <Prabhupada.Said (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Jagat Purush dasa

>>> <jagatpurush108 >, achintya <achintya>, "ICC

>>> (Indian Continental Committee)" <ICC (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Atri Muni Prabhu

>>> <olek69 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

>>> Re: Poor feeding doesn't solve the problem

>>>

>>> Dear Prabhus & Maharaja,

>>> PAMHO. AGTSP.

>>> The quote offered by BV Swami does not apply to Rupa's program. It

>>> is a misapplication of Prabhupada's teachings. I call it this

>>> because

>>> Food for Life and the Sandipani Muni school cannot be fairly

>>> classified as merely mundane "humanitarian" work or "relief

>>> institutions". And, while we are on the topic of the word

>>> "humanitarian", doesn't Prabhupada repeatedly state that KC is the

>>> best humanitarian work?

>>> We know from Prabhupada's example, from his letters, and from

>>> his books, that he approved of and encouraged prasadam distribution

>>> at

>>> and in our temples. We know that SP has taught us that devotional

>>> service is absolute and that one form of service should not be

>>> perceived as superior to another. Prasadam is Krsna, just as He is

>>> also His name.

>>> Rupa's programs are not meant for just polishing the bird cage--they

>>> are nourishing the bird within. The children are taking prasadam,

>>> worshiping the Deity, chanting Hare Krsna and learning sastra. How

>>> is

>>> this a mundane "relief" program?

>>> Prabhupada was compassionate. There are letters where he stated

>>> that we would let the poor come naked to our temples and then feed

>>> them

>>> and cloth them. Do you think that they will not be grateful to us

>>> and

>>> to Krsna? Do you think that they will not be touched by the mercy of

>>> the vaisnavas and so become vaisnavas themselves? Do you think that

>>> little of the potency of the Holy Name and prasadam?

>>> We can be like the old Gaudiya Math and sit in our nice temples and

>>> argue over who gets what room, or we can find new fields for

>>> preaching

>>> like Srila Prabhupada did. The poor of the world and of India are

>>> ripe for becoming devotees. They know better than most of us that

>>> the

>>> material world is a miserable place. Let's give them Krsna

>>> consciousness. But you can't preach to a starving, sick person.

>>> Fill

>>> the belly with prasadam, the ears with the Holy Names, and the mind

>>> with sastra. That is what Rupa is doing, yet he is being criticized

>>> for doing mundane welfare work.

>>> His critics are thinking in a superficial manner. I'm sorry for

>>> being blunt, but it is absurd that this debate is even happening. We

>>> can stand back and be critical of these programs like Prabhupada's

>>> godbrothers were critical of him (while doing almost nothing in

>>> comparison), or we help these programs and so spread KC.

>>> Ys,

>>> Kirtana rasa dasa

>>> On Apr 29, 2005, at 8:29 AM, Rupa wrote:

>>>

>>>> GREAT Maharaja agreed 100%

>>>> But how are you planning to convince them to take to Krishna

>>>> Consciousness? By ignoring them, by pretending they do not exist, by

>>>> building big big marble temples, by having SB classes in our temples

>>>> attended by a handful of committed devotees, by telling them you

>>>> feed

>>>> poor children and then give them a BBT book, by eating in the MVT

>>>> restaurant while they are outside the gate begging, by having

>>>> programs in reach people's home. You cannot understand that for

>>>> these

>>>> people there is no present and there is no future, but WE have the

>>>> power in our hands to make them devotees, to have them chant Hare

>>>> Krishna and to live a life of dignity, or we can choose to ignore

>>>> them and let them rot in the name of religion.

>>>> In our Sandipani Muni school we have 450 poor destitute children

>>>> wearing tilak and chanting hare Krishna every day all day, also

>>>> reciting Bhagavad Gita slokas by heart every day, they are

>>>> worshipping deities and they are chanting sarira avidya jan before

>>>> taking prasada. is that Maya?? would SP disapprove of that??

>>>> In the villages with ourtsocial development programs hundreds of

>>>> women are chanting namaon vishu padaya every time they meet, all of

>>>> them have japa and most of them are chanting at least 1 or more

>>>> rounds every day.

>>>> YES people are without Krishna consciousness because we are to damm

>>>> locked up in our little world (sorry I should say little comfortable

>>>> world)!

>>>> You are still quoting Srila Prabhupada and we can also keep quoting

>>>> him in an incredible positive way. Where are we gonna end up? maybe

>>>> the conclusion is that SP just confused us by giving dual

>>>> instructions?

>>>> Instead of burying our heads in books all the time, we should look

>>>> outside, there is a reality out there and that is that people are

>>>> suffering and before you can bring them to Krishna you will have to

>>>> show some compassion and care to them or they will not hear you at

>>>> all.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks

>>>> your servant

>>>> rupa raghunath das

>>>> www.fflvrindavan.org

>>>> On 26 Apr 2005, at 22:05, Bhakti Vikasa Swami wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Because people are without Krsna consciousness, they have become

>>>>> thieves,

>>>>> and consequently they are being punished by the laws of material

>>>>> nature. No

>>>>> one can check this, not even by introducing so many relief funds

>>>>> and

>>>>> humanitarian institutions. Unless the people of the world take to

>>>>> Krsna

>>>>> consciousness, there will be a scarcity of food and much

>>>>> suffering."

>>>>> ----SB 4.18.8

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Selective quoting: (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.12.10 purport]

 

 

"At the present moment there are different parties in the democratic

government, but everyone is busy trying to keep his post or trying to keep his

political party in power. The politicians have very little time to think of the

welfare of the citizens, whom they oppress with heavy taxes in the form of

income tax, sales tax and many other taxes-people sometimes have eighty to

ninety percent of their income taken away, and these taxes are lavishly spent

for the high salaries drawn by the officers and rulers. Formerly, the taxes

accumulated from the citizens were spent for performing great sacrifices as

enjoined in the Vedic literature. At the present moment, however, almost all

forms of sacrifice are not at all possible; therefore, it is recommended in the

sastras that people should perform sankirtana-yajna. Any householder,

regardless of his position, can perform this sankirtana-yajna without

expenditure. All the family members can sit down together and simply clap their

hands and chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. Somehow or other, everyone can

manage to perform such a yajna and distribute prasada to the people in general.

That is quite sufficient for this age of Kali. The Krsna consciousness movement

is based on this principle: chant the Hare Krsna mantra at every moment, as

much as possible, both inside and outside of the temples, and, as far as

possible, distribute prasada. This process can be accelerated with the

cooperation of state administrators and those who are producing the country's

wealth. Simply by liberal distribution of prasada and sankirtan, the whole

world can become peaceful and prosperous."

 

 

Srila Prabhupada ki Jai!