a counter example / Beware of Kali's agents

[Guest guest]

I am curious to know if anyone has more details about when and how DG is

influencing people who take his course towards ritvikism, or more

specifically,

who has become a ritvik as a result of taking his courses.

 

As far as I know and have personally seen, guru tattva is not spoken of in

his seminars. There are many devotees in Alachua who have taken his seminar

and I am not aware that anyone anyone has become a ritvik as a result of the

seminar.

 

Of course, if someone asks him his views on guru tattva, he will explain his

Prominent Link philosophy. But I have never seen him bring it up unless he

is asked. I just wanted to clarify this because from what I've seen the

assumption that he uses his seminars to propogate ritvik is incorrect.

 

Your servant,

 

Mahatma das

[Guest guest]

> Something is terribly wrong here. I don't know if others see it too. It is

> as by definition, that no devotee can not possibly come from certain

> course. Why? Just because person leading course became ritvik!

 

And that is a very good reason. The very fact that the course leader is a

ritvik and has openly challenged the system of authority set up by Srila

Prabhupada, that alone makes him unqualified to teach devotees anything at

all despite of what he otherwise may know.

 

> With due respect, this logic cannot pass. It is just blaspheming. If some

> devotee would come from certain "ISKCON-bonafide" course, nobody would

> say, that "it is impossible to conclude that this course caused someone to

> move into a Hare Krishna ashram. Event A, event B, ...." Quite the

> opposite, everybody would be glorifying this course, for producing

> devotees. And possibly the same was with DG course, before he was labeled

> ritvik (or whatever) and so on. Like Radhadesh college, if one becomes

> initiated after attending there, it is advertised wide and allaround. But

> imagine, if Radhadesh one day becomes recognized as not really up to

> ISKCON standard. Then we will be hearing, how that program couldn't

> possibly make any devotees, and actually there must be other history to

> their personal life, which lead them to surrender?

>

> Bad logical reasoning. Good for ISKCON institution commited followers, but

> looks funny otherwise. (hmmm, this seems to say a bit about my current

> commitment too....)

 

It certainly does seem so. You have said another place that there is no

unity in ISKCON, but that is a false statement based on your limited

perception. The unity is there with those who adhere to Srila Prabhupada's

system of management in ISKCON. Whether we like it or not, he made the GBC

the ultimate managing and spiritual authority in ISKCON. To constantly

allude to their lack of efficiency or whatever faults one may perceive in

the GBC is to undermine their authority, and to undermine their authority is

to undermine faith in Srila Prabhupada, because he is the one who put them

in authority in the first place. If we at all want to help ISKCON and the

GBC it has to be done in an atmosphere of well-wishing. If we are not the

well-wishers of the GBC we cannot help them, and then we had better keep

quiet.

 

> We are patting each other on the back, that we are ok. We are not so bad,

> is it? Actually we are quite ok! Just see the others! Others are bad, and

> we are fine. We may have some mistakes, and there may be tons of nonsense

> going on in ISKCON, but actually we are allright. But one, who became

> ritvik, cannot possibly do any good, and even if he did any good, we will

> prove, that it was actually not so... We will drag him down, the demon

> that he is, and discredit him to the bone! And others...., we will do the

> same with them!

 

You are rambling, prabhu. The GBC has a duty to protect ISKCON against

philosophical deviation, and that's what they are doing by warning against

people like DG. You may be uninformed of this, but the ritviks are the worst

enemies of ISKCON and Prabhupada. They are behind all the slander and

negative propaganda against ISKCON on the net. It is noteworthy also that

both ritvikvada and the poison theory come from the same insidious person

who is known to hate the GBC with a vengeance. This should indicate to us

all the seriousness of this matter. It goes much deeper than you can see or

has experience of, but I have been debating with them from day one, so I

know and I am telling you, that people who deliberately and systematically

spreads propaganda and slander against ISKCON are the worst of atheists and

demons no matter how nicely they are decorated with dhoti and tilak.

 

Only atheists and demons set out to undermine the faith of devotees in the

spiritual master and thus the authority of the GBC. Are you saying that such

people should be allowed to teach ISKCON devotees and that it is hysterical

or over-reacting to warn against them in strongest possible terms? I don't

think so. This is more a case of you being uninformed about the dangers of

ritvikvada and basing your statements on sentiments rather than facts.

 

Sorry to be very direct and forward and maybe even harsh, but devotees

really have to educate themselves about the real state of affairs before

they speak.

 

ys, jdd