Beware of Kali's agents

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> > I personally don't like this "X (All PAMHO users)" conference. I would

> > rather prefer to remove it completely.

>

> imho, "X(All PAMHO users" is a very useful conference and should be

> continued although the "qualification" for posting texts there may need to

> be reviwed.

>

 

The name itself, "X (All PAMHO users)", includes all PAMHO users. Of course

this need not mean, that all can post in X, but all are exposed to reading

it. By PAMHO membership extending beyond ISKCON, this means that X

conference becomes very sensitive point. Of course, one could limit posting

to "ISKCON bonafide" only (whatever that is), but what will all those

non-ISKCON pamho members think of this. Like ISKCON can post anything, and X

must read it, but if others want to post anything, then ISKCON can complain?

Besides, who will decide what is bonafide and what is not? ISKCON will

enforce its own standard, and others on PAMHO are forced to follow it?

 

Proper action for ISKCON would be not to demand, but to create ISKCON-only

communication system, and there everybody can be censured and repressed as

much as needed, and thus nobody has to (can?) read any nonsense and need to

complain about it.

 

Like Ramakanta Prabhu mentioned that, "In 2000 the GBC set up an email

service for ISKCON. I don't know what happened with that." I hope Lilasuka

Prabhu can comment a bit on this, or maybe ask somebody in charge of this

project to comment. Is PAMHO still supposed to provide bonafide-ISKCON level

of communication and understanding? Or are we all expecting too much from

this system, and should just get used to the fact we cannot have pure-ISKCON

system of communication? Will GBC try to set rules for PAMHO? Will GBC

create separate, ISKCON system for communication, so we can reduce our

expectations about PAMHO? What is the plan of GBC regarding this?

 

your servant Giri-nayaka das

 

 

PS. Sorry for all these questions. But this subject called "Beware of Kali's

agents" is quite disturbing to me. Already original post was disturbing, but

reply was not pacifying either. I thought original post by Haridhama Prabhu

was nonsense, not because of current ISKCON's political view against

ritvikism, but because of "development courses" and all the "inner Vaisnava"

innovation nonsense.

 

It was interesting for me to read Sivarama Maharaja saying, that "There is

only one way, and that is via the process of Krishna consciousness, sadhana

bhakti. And such a process is only successful when conducted under the

direction of a bonafide spiritual master." This is nectar, and I was hoping

for such pure statement.

 

But after reading on, something else came out. Sivarama Maharaja said: "As

far as ISKCON leaders attending Satvatove courses, this is a misnomer.

Prior to understanding that Dhira Govinda's courses were in fact a ruse to

promote his ritvik-vada philosophy, some ISKCON devotees--including

leaders--attended the courses. That ISKCON's leaders are keen to embrace

processes constructed on the basis Srila Prabhupada's teachings is a sign of

healthy leadership, and one that many devotees appreciated and emulated.

However, it wasn't long before the truth was realized: Dr. David was the

proverbial Wolf in sheep's clothing."

 

It became clear, that actual problem is not in new-age-ish course itself.

Problem was not in the method, but the problem was in ritvik-ism of

Satvatove leader. Untill Satvatove were considered ISKCON-bonafide, leaders

were going there. Nobody thought, that it is nonsense, and that we have our

sadhana-bhakti, and no need to practice some new-age stuff. Actually,

leaders considered, that Satvatove was most valuable, and they saw it as

process "constructed on the basis Srila Prabhupada's teachings". Such mood

was considered as "a sign of healthy leadership". Satvatove was providing

process, that "many devotees appreciated and emulated". But it all changed,

after ritvik invention, after realizing "Dr. David was the proverbial Wolf

in sheep's clothing."

 

Now, is sadhana bhakti the only way, or not? Protecting your own

institution.... In good or in bad, forever....

 

So, it is disturbing and misleading to first read, that we do not need any

new-age selfgrowth processes besides sadhana-bhakti, and later on realize,

that it is just nice words. If Haridhama was not labeled as ritvik, his

institute would still be most bonafade, and all ISKCON leaders would be

rushing there for develloping "inner vaisnava". But because he is labeled as

ritvik, now immediately we do not need anything besides pure

sadhana-bhakti..... Such mood is to me even more disturbing than Satvatove

speculations.

 

Sorry for all those hard words, but I needed to say these things. It is just

not fair to wave arround with suddha-bhakti and how we do not need any

new-age stuff in ISKCON, while actually behind it all is politics and

paranoid fear of current ISKCON leaders against ritvik invention.

 

It is sad to see all this fear against ritviks, while at the same time all

nonsense karmi methods (polarity managment, mediations, ombuds...) are

invented without any fear or discretion. What is the threat of ritviks? To

me, none. To most devotees, ritviks are no threat at all. But to leaders,

gurus, GBC.... oh, thats another thing. But on the other side, all those

GBC-invented karmi managereal inventions are serious threat to us all,

because they root us again back in karmi managment system of political

cooperation, in system of exploitation for sense enjoyment. But thats ok,

ISKCON leaders don't mind putting this nonsense on us, injecting it in our

brain as bonafide, and engaging us in begging at the feet of politics,

journalists and human-rights protectors, when they are unable to solve

certain problem caused to their followers by some 3rd world government. We

are instructed to go to karmis, and beg for their mercy, and we foolishly do

it, we buy it. Thats how we are instructed to proove our unity before Srila

Prabhupada. But ritviks, they are worst kind of demons or something, and if

one wants to be bonafide-ISKCON-devotee, then he must condemn them and curse

them and always criticize them like anything.

 

This is all some political nonsense, a carrot in front of nose of masses, to

engage their critical nature in some remote direction, and keep it away from

other certain direction.... Make others look bad, so that we come out

great... But karmis and their methods are not so bad after-all, is it....?

Put down devotees, cooperate with karmis.... where is this thing going?

 

Anyway, I've said enough. Although I could say more. And I may in the

future. I wonder if anybody sees things similarly to how I see it. Speak up,

please!

 

your servant Giri-nayaka das