a counter example / Beware of Kali's agents

[Guest guest]

> For what it is worth:

>

> Yesterday, Akhila Prabhu, a godbrother in Germany, told me that a teenager

> became a shaved-up devotee and joined the Berlin temple after taking Dhira

> Govinda's course. Previously, this young man was enrolled in school, wore

> his hair long, and bummed around or stayed with his mother (a fixed-up

> devotee) and his two younger brothers. Now his younger brothers are

> imitating their older brother's devotional behavior.

 

That's still not a good enough excuse to allow someone, who openly rebels

against the GBC, teach ISKCON devotees. The simple fact is that anyone who

peddles the poison theory or ritvikvada in any shape or form or under

whatever banner, they are Kali's agents. Just see how the case about DG has

divided devotees in ISKCON. That's exactly how Kali's agents work. They

create dissention and division and they are untiring in their efforts to

undermine ISKCON and GBC authority.

 

If DG is so eager to preach and benefit the fallen souls with his methods

let him go and conduct his courses in the karmi world. Do you see him do

that? No, he specifically targets devotees. And why is that? Because out

there in karmi society he'd be just another Dr. Phil wannabe, veying for

business with all the other Oprah and Dr. Phil wannabes.

 

In ISKCON, on the other hand, he's famous and devotees are paying quite

large sums of money to attend his courses. From a spiritual or even

managerial point it is simply absurd to allow such an individual to conduct

business amongst devotees, and so therefore the GBC has banned him. It is

totally justified and shows keen judgement according to Prabhupada's

version.

 

Does anyone seriously think Srila Prabhupada would have allowed someone like

DG to hold courses for devotees if he had been amongst us now? The fact that

such a course has been held in Berlin shows they don't know what they are

doing in Berlin. Either that or they are completely uninformed about DG.

 

ys, jdd

[Guest guest]

> I am curious to know if anyone has more details about when and how DG is

> influencing people who take his course towards ritvikism, or more

> specifically,

> who has become a ritvik as a result of taking his courses.

 

As I see it, that's not really the point. The point is that DG is in open

rebellion against the GBC, and he is a peddler of ritvikvada and the poison

theory. Why on earth should such a person be allowed to teach anything in

ISKCON?

 

> As far as I know and have personally seen, guru tattva is not spoken of

> in his seminars. There are many devotees in Alachua who have taken his

> seminar and I am not aware that anyone anyone has become a ritvik as a

> result of the seminar.

 

It doesn't matter what he says in his seminars. The fact that he is enimical

towards ISKCON and the GBC, which he must be, otherwise how can he adopt

ritvikvada and the poison theory?, makes him unqualified from teaching

devotees anything.

 

> Of course, if someone asks him his views on guru tattva, he will explain

> his Prominent Link philosophy. But I have never seen him bring it up

> unless he is asked. I just wanted to clarify this because from what I've

> seen the assumption that he uses his seminars to propogate ritvik is

> incorrect.

 

The point, as I see it, is that because DG openly rebels against the

management structure Srila Prabhupada set up, and because he obviously is

not well versed in Vaishnava siddhanta on the most crucial point of

guru-tattva, therefore he is banned from teaching ISKCON devotees ANYTHING.

If the top management in ISKCON did not try to curb such a person there

would be something wrong.

 

ys, jdd