Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Robert, What you called the western time-space midpoint chart is the Davison relationship chart.The composite chart is based on the shorter arc midpoint of same planet pairs and MC and ASC.However the houses are calculated at where the two people live based on the composite MC.Robert Hand uses Koch houses for composite charts.Often you will see many similarities between these two charts.The Davison chart can be progressed directly which gives it a little more versatility for timing.I have had good results using the Davison chart for timing events in the history of a relationship.In composite charts sun-venus,sun-mercury,or mercury-venus oppositions should be treated like conjunctions.Regards Dave Birr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Hello Dave and Mu'Min, At 04:11 PM 07/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >I was referring to the Davison Relationship chart; I >have that I get much better results with it. > >Peace, >Mu * Western composite charts: find the midpoints between planets and angles, and create a chart based upon the asc/asc. midpoint. Correct? * Western time/space chart: find the midpoint between latitudes and longitudes, as well as birth dates of two persons, and create a chart based upon resulting data. Correct? * Now, what is s "Davison chart", and how is it created/interpreted for compatibility in western astrology? Please enlighten, thanks! Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Dave, Very interesting, and thank you for the following info.: At 05:20 PM 07/18/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Robert, What you called the western time-space midpoint chart is the Davison >relationship chart.The composite chart is based on the shorter arc midpoint >of same planet pairs and MC and ASC.However the houses are calculated at >where the two people live based on the composite MC.Robert Hand uses Koch >houses for composite charts.Often you will see many similarities between >these two charts.The Davison chart can be progressed directly which gives it >a little more versatility for timing.I have had good results using the >Davison chart for timing events in the history of a relationship.In composite >charts sun-venus,sun-mercury,or mercury-venus oppositions should be treated >like conjunctions.Regards Dave Birr What then are the progression methods of the Davison chart that you use? It would seem to me, that if you used secondaries, important relationship planets such as Jupiter and Saturn would not figure into the picture very much. Tertiaries might bring the chart as a whole into better focus, if you are going to progress a relationship chart. Any comments? Thanks in advance! Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2000 Report Share Posted July 18, 2000 Robert, I have mainly worked with secondary progressions and solar arcs,but i have been impressed with the rectification work of Richard Houck using tertiary progressions.I have begun using them with clients but have too little experience as yet.What has your experience been with tertiary progressions?Do you find as Sanjay Rath that vimsottari system does not work well for kalasarpa yoga clients?Thanks Dave Birr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Good Points, Dave. Peace, Mu --- DaveBirr wrote: > Robert, What you called the western time-space > midpoint chart is the Davison > relationship chart.The composite chart is based on > the shorter arc midpoint > of same planet pairs and MC and ASC.However the > houses are calculated at > where the two people live based on the composite > MC.Robert Hand uses Koch > houses for composite charts.Often you will see many > similarities between > these two charts.The Davison chart can be progressed > directly which gives it > a little more versatility for timing.I have had good > results using the > Davison chart for timing events in the history of a > relationship.In composite > charts sun-venus,sun-mercury,or mercury-venus > oppositions should be treated > like conjunctions.Regards Dave Birr > Get Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2000 Report Share Posted July 19, 2000 Hi Rob, Thought I would throw my two cents in, since I was the one that mentioned this in the first place - plus, we haven't chatted in awhile. I agree with you, Secondary Progressions are way too boring, due the fact that any planet beyond Mars doesn;t move very much; some Astrologers try to find meaning in a Outer planet in that System moving a symbolic degree or something like that, but the bottom line is that, you need to have more movement among ALL of the planets. You mentioned using Tertiaries, but I'm not too sweet on those either; I've found that, the best Western timing technique going is that of Solar Arcs - they're easy to use, quite reliable, and they represent the entire year in question. So, I use them in a Davison Relationship Chart to give me an idea of what's going on. Good Q, man - email me sometime, let's rap. Peace, Mu --- "Robert A. Koch" <rkoch wrote: > Dave, > > Very interesting, and thank you for the following > info.: > > At 05:20 PM 07/18/2000 EDT, you wrote: > >Robert, What you called the western time-space > midpoint chart is the Davison > >relationship chart.The composite chart is based on > the shorter arc midpoint > >of same planet pairs and MC and ASC.However the > houses are calculated at > >where the two people live based on the composite > MC.Robert Hand uses Koch > >houses for composite charts.Often you will see many > similarities between > >these two charts.The Davison chart can be > progressed directly which gives it > >a little more versatility for timing.I have had > good results using the > >Davison chart for timing events in the history of a > relationship.In > composite > >charts sun-venus,sun-mercury,or mercury-venus > oppositions should be treated > >like conjunctions.Regards Dave Birr > > What then are the progression methods of the Davison > chart that you use? > It would seem to me, that if you used secondaries, > important relationship > planets such as Jupiter and Saturn would not figure > into the picture very > much. Tertiaries might bring the chart as a whole > into better focus, if > you are going to progress a relationship chart. Any > comments? Thanks in > advance! > > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk > Get Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Robert, Thanks for sharing your experience.I would echo MU on the value of solar arcs for timing. Dave Birr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2000 Report Share Posted July 20, 2000 Dave, At 12:54 AM 07/19/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Robert, I have mainly worked with secondary progressions and solar arcs,but i >have been impressed with the rectification work of Richard Houck using >tertiary progressions.I have begun using them with clients but have too >little experience as yet.What has your experience been with tertiary >progressions?Do you find as Sanjay Rath that vimsottari system does not work >well for kalasarpa yoga clients?Thanks Dave Birr To be honest, I have not worked with them very much, as I have spent much time over the last year and a half researching with some Jaimini dasa systems. However, as you say, Rick Houck offers some compelling examples in his book "Astrology of Death" to demonstrates the veracity of Tertiary progressions. He also relies on them a lot in rectification work, an area which has earned him reputation as well. Re: Kala-sarpa yoga and Vimsottari dasa: Here again, the true definition of the yoga does not apply that often, in fact maybe one out of 100 client charts that you may have, will show KSY. Since little research data is available, therefore, we more or less have to rely on personal experience, here and there. I personally have KSY in my chart, and have found Vim. dasa to work well in my case. With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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