Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 All, This seems to be the one topic that just won;t go aaway; and, I guess, since I am both, a Western and a Vedic Astrologer, I feel compelled to speak to this.......... Ok, this is the deal: When Western Astrologers knock Vedic Astrologers, and say that they're all fate-oriented, and that they're books are all old, and that they're aren;t about finding meaning in life, the Western Astrologers are WRONG... ....and, when Vedic Astrologers say that Western Astrolgers cannot possibly do any good work, because they use a "wrong" zodiac, and that Western System has no validity because there isn't the same amount of emphasis on prediction, and that understanding the Human Condition with the help of Humanistic Psychology thru the lense of Western Astrology is baseless and a waste of time, guess what - they're WRONG... ....at the end of the day, all of this, Western, or Vedic, or Chinese, or whatever, this is all symbolic, and they all spring from that same Primordial Source, from where everything Elemental can be found. This is where all the truths of the Universe are to be found: The Holy Qur'an, The Bhagavad-Gita, The Bible, The Eightfold Ways of Buddhism, and so on. At the end of it all, all of these great religions flow in the same direction; so it is with Western and Vedic Astrology. I keep saying, that, in this time of our Collective History, we simply cannot afford to continue to be ignorant in the name of some imagined superiorty, or in the name of tradition; I have come accross many Indians, for example, that have a great interest in Western Astrology, especially of the brand that Noel Tyl and Liz Greene teach; this is not to say that they have abandoned the Vedic System, but they recognize that there may be other ways to look at a situation, and so, they are open. The same can certainly be said for Western Astrologers, wanting to learn more about the Vedic System; this is especiailly so here in the States, where Vedic Astrology has experienced an explosion. As cultures all over the world get more and more exposure to each other, so too, must their Astrologies. I consider myself to very, very fortunate to have received what I call a Panoramic Education in Astrology; I have studied Parasara, and I have studied Ptolemy; I have studied William Lilly, and I have studied Mantreshwara; I have studied Bepin Behari and I have studied Dane Rudhyar; I have studied K.N. Rao and B.V. Raman, and I have studied Jeff Green and Steven Arroyo. I studied Solar Arcs as taught by Noel Tyl, and I have studied Vimshoattari Dasas as taught by K.N. Rao; I have studied Western Transits, and I have studied Ashtakavarga, too. All of it has given me a much richer view of Humankind's fascination with the stars, and their effects on us here on Earth. I have demonstrated many times, in this forum, and in others, how both of these Great Systems, Western Astrology and Vedic Astrology, often points to the same conclusions; in fact, just the other day, I had a client that had very strong sexual issues that simply had to be discussed - any Astrologer, Western or Vedic, would be seriously remiss, not to discuss this. In both her Western and Vedic horoscopes, these issues were dominant - but, don't take my word for it - see for yourself (Jul 15, 1975, 10PM, Philadelphia, PA, USA). This client was sexually abused by a babysitter when she was younger, and, since then, has lead a double-life as both a women's sex-educator, and engaging in sexual escapades that would make Anais Nin blush. Again, I have to point out that BOTH charts, Western and Vedic, pointed to these concerns, AND, both charts accurately timed the unfoldment of these events. I seen case, after case, after case, of this happening, that is, how both the Western chart and the Vedic chart will both say that same things - but then again, the truth is the truth is the truth, no matter what language it is said in. It is my view, after having spent at least the last 2 years of intense comparitive study in this area, that the overwhelming majority of those who try to denigrate one system while at the same time hoisting their system of choice up in the air, are incredibly ignorant - they obviously have't studied the work of Reinhold Ebertin and the Comsmobiologists in Germany; they have not studied the rich history of Astrology in India, and how, Astrological thought and practice there changes from town to town; they haven't availed themselves of the very, very significant work of Carl Jung, and how Dane Rudhyar used this work, and laid down the foundation for an entire generation of Astrologers, that breathed new life into an old and outdate symbology; they haven't exposed themselves to the ground-breaking research and work of the brilliant K.N. Rao, or Sanjay Rath, updating ancient texts of Astrology... ....they have just missed so much... But, I am hopeful - as time marches on, and as our world continues to get smaller and smaller, these antiquated views will fall by the wayside, as all other out-moded and out-dated ideas have in the past. It is as James Braha says in his veryt first book, Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer, that one day soon, the round chart of Western Astrology will take its place beside the square-shaped on of Vedic Astrology, and vice-versa, for all Astrologers, world-wide, will recognize who truly powerful both systems are, in thier own ways. I eagerly await that day... But, in the meantime, please let me say, to those that are curious: do yourself a favor - investigate all of this for yourself, test out the charts in your possession, as I have, and THEN, make your decision; this is the 21st Century, afterall - we shouldn't make conclusions on the basis of feelings and bias, but instead on the basis of investigation, study and research, all within the Spirit of Learning. That's my Two Cents. Your Serve... Peace, Mu'Min Bey Western and Vedic Astrologer 1-888-514-5342 Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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