Lunar eclipse and Bush

January 9, 2001

Mani:

Thanks for the reminder about Bush and the eclipse. I just checked it out

and interestingly both the geocentric and the topocentric (parallax) chart

angles make contacts. There is also the matter of location. If you take

the eclipse for his birth place New Haven CT, then the geocentric eclipse

occurs at 4:23:59 pm. Here the MC (17Aq17) is exactly opposite Mars

(16Le18). If you take the topocentric eclipse at New Haven at 3:25:22 pm

you notice that the Asc is conjunct Uranus (26Ta54) and Rahu (27Ta35).

It's possible that these spell out something untoward happening before the

next full moon, but also note that Mars is his 10L and Rahu is well

positioned in the 11th house, receiving a very close 9 house aspect from

Jupiter, and its dispositor Venus is in the 1st house. In other words, is

this lunar eclipse just telling us that the man is about to be crowned

"King of the World" (with apologies to Leo)?

Another potentially salient observation is that at the time of the eclipse

t.Mars(16Li18) is EXACTLY sextile (60*) Bush's natal Mars(16Le18) to the

minute! I normally wouldn't pay any attention to sextiles but when they're

this perfect, they likely have something to do with what's coming down the

pipe. And it reinforces our interpretive dilemma: is this just indicative

of his great power fructifying (since Mars is karaka for executive power

and his 10th lord) or could it indicate more sinister activity in the next

month? I've looked at a couple of other things in Bush's chart that point

to some sort of problem so perhaps the best answer is both.

Recasting the eclipse chart for Washington, the parallax MC (28Cp12) is

exactly opposing 1st house Venus (28Cn29). The centre of attention and

affection...

The eclipse point itself,(the Moon is at 25Ge53), is exactly square Bush's

Jupiter(25Vi08), lord of his 6th and 9th conjunct his lagnesh Moon. 6th

house Sagittarius being moolatrikona sign, that's not entirely comforting

for the simple ascent to power thesis. And what it's seem weird is that

navamsha Jupiter (16Le13) is almost exactly conjunct that natal Mars

(16Le18). So the eclipse is setting off Bush's Mars in this way also. So

we return to the question: executive power or violence?

It's clear that Bush isn't going to survive the term, but it's a bit

far-fetched to think it's going to happen in the first month!

Any thoughts Mani?

Chris

At 1:40 PM 1/9/01 +0100, you wrote:

>Any thoughts about the lunar eclipse? Not visible in the US, but it occurs

at

>14:28 (Max) at washington Dc, has some connections with Bush ......

>

>Mani

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January 9, 2001

what is meant by [chris' thoughts] "bush isn't going to survive the

term.."??

Christopher Kevill <ckevill

we return to the question: executive power or violence?

It's clear that Bush isn't going to survive the term, but it's a bit

far-fetched to think it's going to happen in the first month!

Any thoughts Mani?

Chris

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January 10, 2001

Will anyone on the list post the chart for 12.00 Noon on 20-1-2001 when Bush

Swears in as President. Though more important would be the chart of the

moment when Bush utters the first word at swearing in ceremony, not the time

when the ceremony begins.

regards,

Manoj

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>Re: [gjlist] Lunar eclipse and Bush

>Wed, 10 Jan 2001 03:10:21 -0000

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>what is meant by [chris' thoughts] "bush isn't going to survive the

>term.."??

>

>Christopher Kevill <ckevill

>

>we return to the question: executive power or violence?

>

>It's clear that Bush isn't going to survive the term, but it's a bit

>far-fetched to think it's going to happen in the first month!

>

>Any thoughts Mani?

>

>Chris

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January 10, 2001

Christopher Kevill wrote:

> Mani:

>

> Thanks for the reminder about Bush and the eclipse. I just checked it out

> and interestingly both the geocentric and the topocentric (parallax) chart

> angles make contacts.

> Any thoughts Mani?

>

Chris:

I had just looked at the Washington chart, saw the connections and wrote

without any further study. Now you have done the work. It is amazing how the

"uncertainty" hangs on to Bush, as it did to Gore, at every step. My main

question is whether an eclipse is of great significance when it cannot be seen.

It then becomes only a sort of perfect full-moon. Even then, to take over office

during the waning moon is not auspicious!

I think one should not add up positive and negative aspects to get a resultant.

There will be moments of success and also moments of suffering.

Why are you so sure that Bush will not finish his term? The curse? Reagan

escaped.

regards

Mani

January 10, 2001

Muni:

I was just referring to the fact that I thought Bush would likely die

during the his term. As you may know, there is a zero year curse on

presidents who have been elected in the year ending in zero. All elected

since 1840 have died in office with the exception of Reagan. No one can

really offer a rationale why this is so, aside from general references to

Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions, but it is one of those inexplicable spooky

factors that undergirds everything else. Art Bell territory, one might say.

The horoscope specifics confirm this possibility. Take a look at the

inauguration chart for Jan 20, 2001 12 pm for Washington when Bush is sworn

in. It's heavily afflicted, including Mars aspecting the ascendant with

less than two degree orb. If Bush is takes the oath at 12.08 pm or so,

then it will be exact. Somebody ought to tell him to do it earlier or do

it later.

Bush's chart doesn't seem that bad, especially since he'll be in the same

dasha he was in when elected, namely Saturn-Rahu. Rahu in the 11th aspected

closely by Jupiter with dispositor Venus in the 1st looks darn good, and

certainly that combination was pivotal in his win. However, what Rahu

brings, Rahu can also take away. And remember that Saturn's moolitrikona

sign Aquarius governs the 8th house, so Saturn can't all be gravy. Also,

the transits for 2002 look really stressful as Rahu aspects its natal

position and lagnesh Moon, and Saturn is conjunct Rahu. There is also a

whole slew of supporting western-style progressions that point to a

difficult time, especially in June 2002, assuming the 7.26 pm TOB is

accurate. I have recently heard of a rectified time of 7.08 but I don't

know what to make of it. It wouldn't change the broad contours of this

analysis, only the monthly timing.

Chris

At 03:10 AM 1/10/01 -0000, you wrote:

>

>what is meant by [chris' thoughts] "bush isn't going to survive the

>term.."??

>

>Christopher Kevill <ckevill

>

>we return to the question: executive power or violence?

>

>It's clear that Bush isn't going to survive the term, but it's a bit

>far-fetched to think it's going to happen in the first month!

>

>Any thoughts Mani?

>

>Chris

>

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January 10, 2001

Christopher Kevill <ckevill wrote:

Muni:

I was just referring to the fact that I thought Bush would likely die

during the his term. As you may know, there is a zero year curse on

presidents who have been elected in the year ending in zero. All elected

since 1840 have died in office with the exception of Reagan.

No one can