Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Dear ListMembers, Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. Thanks- regards, Sunita. _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Sunita, As the shadowy planets (RA/KE) have no physical body they therefore cast no (true) aspect on any house other than the one they occupy. Wendy Sunita Menon [sunita_menon] Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:24 AM gjlist [gjlist] Aspects Dear ListMembers, Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. Thanks- regards, Sunita. _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Dear Sunita, At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear ListMembers, > Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their >co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? >Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu, are always in contention with the forces of light represented by Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to counteract. Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus, Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign aspect, they invariably will. With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2001 Report Share Posted January 12, 2001 Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know. I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY ASPECTS! Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY aspects. Wendy Robert A. Koch [rkoch] Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Aspects Dear Sunita, At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear ListMembers, > Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their >co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? >Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu, are always in contention with the forces of light represented by Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to counteract. Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus, Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign aspect, they invariably will. With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 PS: The appropriate place (I believe) to use "Sign" aspects is when working with "Sign" dasas. For instance the current Chara Dasa for me is CA-VI-VI. The sign CA is receiving an aspect from SC, AQ, and TA and any planets therein will have an influence on this current "Charadasa". To mix and match planetary and sign aspects in an inappropriate way only leads to confusion. Wendy Wendy Vasicek [wenvas] Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:59 PM gjlist RE: [gjlist] Aspects Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know. I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY ASPECTS! Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY aspects. Wendy Robert A. Koch [rkoch] Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM gjlist Re: [gjlist] Aspects Dear Sunita, At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote: >Dear ListMembers, > Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their >co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? >Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu, are always in contention with the forces of light represented by Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to counteract. Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus, Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign aspect, they invariably will. With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk gjlist- gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 Dear Wendy and Robert, While it is a contentious issue, in Systems' Approach where there are many experienced Astrologers, we do indeed use 5th/7th/9th aspects for the Nodes - from my own perspective they *do* seem to work. However, that is my opinion in answer to the original querent - to avoid further contention, I won't further debate this. Very best - Sateesh. ======== - "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas <gjlist > 13 January 2001 05:59 RE: [gjlist] Aspects > Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know. > I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all > experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY > ASPECTS! > > Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY > aspects. > > Wendy > > > Robert A. Koch [rkoch] > Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM > gjlist > Re: [gjlist] Aspects > > > Dear Sunita, > > At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote: > >Dear ListMembers, > > Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their > >co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ? > >Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both. > >Thanks- > >regards, Sunita. > > There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers > hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same > manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu, > are always in contention with the forces of light represented by > Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to > counteract. > > Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because > they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make > us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for > example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must > accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus, > Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets > in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi > aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets > in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in > them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per > Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or > not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign > aspect, they invariably will. > > With regards, > Robert > > ===================================== > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. > Bend, OR. 97701-9037 > Phone: 541-318-0248 > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail > rk. rk > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 Om Krishna Guru >Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know. >I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all >experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY >ASPECTS! > >Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY >aspects. > >Wendy Now hold on now, indeed Rasi Dristi is something else, but denying the Nodes the power to carry out Graha Dristi, completely denies them from the Dristi scheme! A conjunction is also a Dristi as its part of the grahas view, so denying Rahu and Ketu dristi means you deny their use all together! Now I can see what you mean by the nodes being invisible Grahas, but you may note that Rahu and Ketu are the only "demons" amongst the Grahas. Ketu I agree has no Graha Dristi, as without eyes, one cannot see. Rahu however is the prime indicator of rebirth, as it brings the "sins" to light, forcing rebirth, thus it aspects the 2nd from it. Also it carries the nectar and at its best can give the same indications as Jupiter, however in a different form offcourse, thus 5th and 9th aspects are also given. Stating that Rasi dristi is only for Rasi Dasa's doesn't make sense to me, after I thoroughly went through the understanding of the dristi. Maybe you would like to clarify that point. Did you aquire this knowledge of your guru? If so which other alterations do you use? Best wishes, Visti. _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 namaste, Robert. And THANKS for the explanation of Rahu's and Kethu's aspects. ...David David LaGrone Your AdvoCare Distributor P. O. Box 832736 (972) 930-0802 Richardson, TX 75083-2736 E-mail: dvdlagr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 namaste, Visti. Thank you for writing about Rahu and Kethu! Your words reflect what I have been taught...by several respected people. ...David David LaGrone Your AdvoCare Distributor P. O. Box 832736 (972) 930-0802 Richardson, TX 75083-2736 E-mail: dvdlagr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 Visti, Please note I said: "All experienced astrologers (should) know"...I never said they did know! As a matter of fact (unless it has changed since then, which I doubt) Maharishi stated when I did Maharishi Jyotish Course some years back...emphatically! "the Nodes cast no aspect"...that's just one (authoritive) source, however there is always the possibility that your knowledge is superior to his, in which case I stand corrected. I (also) am not inclined to get into a long winded confrontation about this and will certainly not debate the subject any further. Wendy Visti Larsen [vlarsen] Saturday, January 13, 2001 8:03 PM gjlist RE: [gjlist] Aspects Om Krishna Guru >Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know. >I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all >experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY >ASPECTS! > >Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY >aspects. > >Wendy Now hold on now, indeed Rasi Dristi is something else, but denying the Nodes the power to carry out Graha Dristi, completely denies them from the Dristi scheme! A conjunction is also a Dristi as its part of the grahas view, so denying Rahu and Ketu dristi means you deny their use all together! Now I can see what you mean by the nodes being invisible Grahas, but you may note that Rahu and Ketu are the only "demons" amongst the Grahas. Ketu I agree has no Graha Dristi, as without eyes, one cannot see. Rahu however is the prime indicator of rebirth, as it brings the "sins" to light, forcing rebirth, thus it aspects the 2nd from it. Also it carries the nectar and at its best can give the same indications as Jupiter, however in a different form offcourse, thus 5th and 9th aspects are also given. Stating that Rasi dristi is only for Rasi Dasa's doesn't make sense to me, after I thoroughly went through the understanding of the dristi. Maybe you would like to clarify that point. Did you aquire this knowledge of your guru? If so which other alterations do you use? Best wishes, Visti. _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 hello, please read brihat jataka or parshara hors shastra or better shivraj sharma book on rahu or please visit knrao web site www.astropanorama.com there is excellnet artcile which will clarify the doubts. bye gopal ------------------------- Register Chinese Character Domain Name- ONLY US$17/year! 100 Chinese Domain Names are registered every minute! Time is clicking, what are you waiting for? Go to http://www.chinese-dns.com Register NOW!!! Verisign¤¤¤å³»¯Å°ì¦W²{¦b¼ö½æ¤¤¡T ¨C¤ÀÄÁ³£¦³100Ó¤¤¤å°ì¦W³Qµù¥U¡M±zÁÙ¦bµ¥¤°»ò©O¡S ¨CÓºô§}¬üª÷17¤¸/¦~¡T²{¦b´N¨ì http://www.chinese-dns.com µù¥U¡T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2001 Report Share Posted January 13, 2001 One more source if I may (there are many more). James T. Braha: Ancient Hindu Astrology...page 57 Rahu and Ketu do not throw aspects. This is in line with what I was taught; "that the nodes cast no (true) aspect on any house other than the one they occupy". It's no secret that I'm somewhat disillusioned with the business empire of TM that charges obscene prices just to learn to meditate these days. I feel that's terribly wrong, however I have never questioned the "purity" of the knowledge Maharishi gives to the world. Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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