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Dear ListMembers,

Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

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regards, Sunita.

 

 

 

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Sunita,

 

As the shadowy planets (RA/KE) have no physical body they therefore cast no

(true) aspect on any house other than the one they occupy.

 

Wendy

 

 

 

Sunita Menon [sunita_menon]

Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:24 AM

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Dear ListMembers,

Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

Thanks-

regards, Sunita.

 

 

 

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Dear Sunita,

 

At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear ListMembers,

> Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

>co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

>Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

>Thanks-

>regards, Sunita.

 

There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers

hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same

manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu,

are always in contention with the forces of light represented by

Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to

counteract.

 

Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because

they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make

us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for

example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must

accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus,

Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets

in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi

aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets

in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in

them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per

Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or

not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign

aspect, they invariably will.

 

With regards,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

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Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know.

I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all

experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY

ASPECTS!

 

Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY

aspects.

 

Wendy

 

 

Robert A. Koch [rkoch]

Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM

gjlist

Re: [gjlist] Aspects

 

 

Dear Sunita,

 

At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear ListMembers,

> Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

>co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

>Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

>Thanks-

>regards, Sunita.

 

There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers

hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same

manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu,

are always in contention with the forces of light represented by

Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to

counteract.

 

Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because

they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make

us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for

example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must

accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus,

Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets

in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi

aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets

in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in

them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per

Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or

not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign

aspect, they invariably will.

 

With regards,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

 

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The appropriate place (I believe) to use "Sign" aspects is when working with

"Sign" dasas. For instance the current Chara Dasa for me is CA-VI-VI. The

sign CA is receiving an aspect from SC, AQ, and TA and any planets therein

will have an influence on this current "Charadasa".

 

To mix and match planetary and sign aspects in an inappropriate way only

leads to confusion.

 

Wendy

 

 

Wendy Vasicek [wenvas]

Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:59 PM

gjlist

RE: [gjlist] Aspects

 

 

Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know.

I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all

experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY

ASPECTS!

 

Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY

aspects.

 

Wendy

 

 

Robert A. Koch [rkoch]

Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM

gjlist

Re: [gjlist] Aspects

 

 

Dear Sunita,

 

At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Dear ListMembers,

> Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

>co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

>Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

>Thanks-

>regards, Sunita.

 

There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers

hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same

manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu,

are always in contention with the forces of light represented by

Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to

counteract.

 

Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because

they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make

us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for

example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she must

accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus,

Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets

in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc. Rasi

aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets

in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in

them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per

Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or

not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign

aspect, they invariably will.

 

With regards,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

 

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Dear Wendy and Robert,

 

While it is a contentious issue, in Systems' Approach where there are many

experienced Astrologers, we do indeed use 5th/7th/9th aspects for the

Nodes - from my own perspective they *do* seem to work.

 

However, that is my opinion in answer to the original querent - to avoid

further contention, I won't further debate this.

 

Very best - Sateesh.

 

========

 

 

 

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"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas

<gjlist >

13 January 2001 05:59

RE: [gjlist] Aspects

 

 

> Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you

know.

> I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all

> experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST

ANY

> ASPECTS!

>

> Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY

> aspects.

>

> Wendy

>

>

> Robert A. Koch [rkoch]

> Saturday, January 13, 2001 12:17 PM

> gjlist

> Re: [gjlist] Aspects

>

>

> Dear Sunita,

>

> At 12:24 AM 1/13/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >Dear ListMembers,

> > Do Rahu and Keu exert house aspects similar to their

> >co-lords Saturn and Mars respectively ? Or Is it just 7th house aspect ?

> >Light On life says some use 5th and 9th house aspects for both.

> >Thanks-

> >regards, Sunita.

>

> There is controversy around the aspects of Rahu/Ketu. Most astrologers

> hold that they aspect on the 5th and 9th from themselves, in the same

> manner as Jupiter. This is because the dark forces represented by Rahu,

> are always in contention with the forces of light represented by

> Jupiter. Thus wherever Jupiter throws his light, Rahu will follow to

> counteract.

>

> Anyway, for those who disagree, and hold that they do not aspect because

> they have no physical body: consider this, that Parasara and Jaimini make

> us aware of "Rasi drishti", or aspects between signs. So if someone, for

> example, disagrees that Rahu/Ketu cast a drishti, or glance, he or she

must

> accept that they can aspect from the rasi where they are placed. Thus,

> Rahu in Taurus, for example, will aspect the sign Cancer, and any planets

> in it. Rahu in Gemini will aspect Virgo, and any planets in it, etc.

Rasi

> aspects work like this: all cardinal signs aspect fixed signs (and planets

> in them); all dual signs aspect other dual signs (and planets in

> them). The fact that rasi aspects exist in Vedic astrology, as per

> Parasara and Jaimini, also puts to rest the controversy as to whether or

> not planets in Navamsa or other divisional charts cast aspects. By sign

> aspect, they invariably will.

>

> With regards,

> Robert

>

> =====================================

> Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

> 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

> Bend, OR. 97701-9037

> Phone: 541-318-0248

> visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

> rk. rk

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

> gjlist-

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>

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Om Krishna Guru

 

>Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know.

>I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all

>experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY

>ASPECTS!

>

>Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY

>aspects.

>

>Wendy

 

Now hold on now, indeed Rasi Dristi is something else, but denying the Nodes

the power to carry out Graha Dristi, completely denies them from the Dristi

scheme!

 

A conjunction is also a Dristi as its part of the grahas view, so denying

Rahu and Ketu dristi means you deny their use all together!

 

Now I can see what you mean by the nodes being invisible Grahas, but you may

note that Rahu and Ketu are the only "demons" amongst the Grahas.

 

Ketu I agree has no Graha Dristi, as without eyes, one cannot see.

 

Rahu however is the prime indicator of rebirth, as it brings the "sins" to

light, forcing rebirth, thus it aspects the 2nd from it.

 

Also it carries the nectar and at its best can give the same indications as

Jupiter, however in a different form offcourse, thus 5th and 9th aspects are

also given.

 

 

Stating that Rasi dristi is only for Rasi Dasa's doesn't make sense to me,

after I thoroughly went through the understanding of the dristi. Maybe you

would like to clarify that point.

 

Did you aquire this knowledge of your guru? If so which other alterations do

you use?

 

Best wishes, Visti.

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namaste, Robert.

 

And THANKS for the explanation of Rahu's and Kethu's aspects.

 

...David

 

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namaste, Visti.

 

Thank you for writing about Rahu and Kethu! Your words reflect what I

have been taught...by several respected people.

 

...David

 

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Visti,

 

Please note I said: "All experienced astrologers (should) know"...I never

said they did know!

 

As a matter of fact (unless it has changed since then, which I doubt)

Maharishi stated when I did Maharishi Jyotish Course some years

back...emphatically! "the Nodes cast no aspect"...that's just one

(authoritive) source, however there is always the possibility that your

knowledge is superior to his, in which case I stand corrected.

 

I (also) am not inclined to get into a long winded confrontation about this

and will certainly not debate the subject any further.

 

Wendy

 

 

 

Visti Larsen [vlarsen]

Saturday, January 13, 2001 8:03 PM

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RE: [gjlist] Aspects

 

 

Om Krishna Guru

 

>Sign aspects are an entirely different matter Robert, as I'm sure you know.

>I think the question referred to PLANETARY aspect...and (again) all

>experienced astrologers (should) know that RA/KE themselves DO NOT CAST ANY

>ASPECTS!

>

>Best not to confuse the issue by presenting SIGN aspects as PLANETARY

>aspects.

>

>Wendy

 

Now hold on now, indeed Rasi Dristi is something else, but denying the Nodes

the power to carry out Graha Dristi, completely denies them from the Dristi

scheme!

 

A conjunction is also a Dristi as its part of the grahas view, so denying

Rahu and Ketu dristi means you deny their use all together!

 

Now I can see what you mean by the nodes being invisible Grahas, but you may

note that Rahu and Ketu are the only "demons" amongst the Grahas.

 

Ketu I agree has no Graha Dristi, as without eyes, one cannot see.

 

Rahu however is the prime indicator of rebirth, as it brings the "sins" to

light, forcing rebirth, thus it aspects the 2nd from it.

 

Also it carries the nectar and at its best can give the same indications as

Jupiter, however in a different form offcourse, thus 5th and 9th aspects are

also given.

 

 

Stating that Rasi dristi is only for Rasi Dasa's doesn't make sense to me,

after I thoroughly went through the understanding of the dristi. Maybe you

would like to clarify that point.

 

Did you aquire this knowledge of your guru? If so which other alterations do

you use?

 

Best wishes, Visti.

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hello,

please read brihat jataka or parshara hors shastra or better shivraj sharma book

on rahu or please visit knrao web site www.astropanorama.com there is excellnet

artcile which will clarify the doubts.

bye

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One more source if I may (there are many more).

 

James T. Braha: Ancient Hindu Astrology...page 57 Rahu and Ketu do not throw

aspects.

 

This is in line with what I was taught; "that the nodes cast no (true)

aspect on any house other than the one they occupy".

 

It's no secret that I'm somewhat disillusioned with the business empire of

TM that charges obscene prices just to learn to meditate these days. I feel

that's terribly wrong, however I have never questioned the "purity" of the

knowledge Maharishi gives to the world.

 

Wendy

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