Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Dear All, This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and lord/occupants of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any support from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel abroad in the near future. Please take a look - DOB: Date of birth : 30.9.1961 Time of birth : 7-15 IST Latitude : 010-46 N Longitude : 076-42 E Thanks- regards, Sunita. _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Sunita: I took a quick peek at this chart and thought that some travel was very possible later this year. She's running Ju-Ra as you say and will cross over to Saturn (the dark side?) in May-June. I'm less inclined to use dashas in this case because Saturn is so close to 0Cp00 (actually using krishnamurti, it IS at 0Cp00 which puts it in the 5th house. If you use lahiri ayanamsha it slips back to the 4th house and Sagittarius. In this configuration, it is more condicive to travel and relocation generally and also it will then receive Rahu's 5H aspect from the 12th house. However, I would place some importance on transits. Both Saturn and Jupiter are in her 9th house Taurus. That points to the possibility of travel at least. Looking at her natal for the likelihood of travel, 4L Jupiter aspects 12L Sun. This is one of the classic combinations for people who leave the country of their birth. Basically any connection from the 4th or 7th to the 12th suggests emigration. The stronger it is -- say mixed with Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu -- the most likely it will happen. In this chart other factors are there: 9L Venus is conjunct Rahu, 4L Jupiter is afflicted by Mars aspect. 12L Sun is in lagna. All point to leaving home and travel to far away places. Maybe I'll look more closely at the timing question tomorrow. Christopher >Dear All, > This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career >opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is >that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and lord/occupants >of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - >Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( >Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any support >from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel >abroad in the near future. >Please take a look - >DOB: >Date of birth : 30.9.1961 >Time of birth : 7-15 IST >Latitude : 010-46 N >Longitude : 076-42 E > >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. > > > > > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Sunita: I have not looked at the chart at all, but will do so if you wish. All that Chris has said seems okay to me. But he does not refer to "residence" abroad. To choose a new place of residence the method is as follows: it is actually a western method, but still works, if one can manage to shift to the place indicated: Cast the birth chart for various locations in the world, correcting the TOB to fit. Say 8:00 am in India IST = 2:30 am GMT. Any place that brings the Atmakaraka or yogakaraka to the Ac or Mc or both is good. Western says "benefics", but it is better to see benefics in vedic sense. If malefics get to the angles, it is not good. If you have a programme that shows location charts, you can select more easily: it will show which planets rise or culminate at which locations on the earth at the time of birth. Gj does not have it, as far as I know. regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Hi Chris, Thanks for the response (I was busy during the week, hence did not check my mail). She did travel a couple of times last year, but nothing lasting more than a week. Btw, I was wondering how D4 can be used for this. Do we look at it the same way as we would at the Rasi chart e.g transits and aspects involving 4th, 9th, 12th houses? Thanks- regards, Sunita. >Christopher Kevill <ckevill >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad >Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:50:08 -0500 > >Hi Sunita: > >I took a quick peek at this chart and thought that some travel was very >possible later this year. She's running Ju-Ra as you say and will cross >over to Saturn (the dark side?) in May-June. I'm less inclined to use >dashas in this case because Saturn is so close to 0Cp00 (actually using >krishnamurti, it IS at 0Cp00 which puts it in the 5th house. If you use >lahiri ayanamsha it slips back to the 4th house and Sagittarius. In this >configuration, it is more condicive to travel and relocation generally and >also it will then receive Rahu's 5H aspect from the 12th house. > >However, I would place some importance on transits. Both Saturn and >Jupiter are in her 9th house Taurus. That points to the possibility of >travel at least. > >Looking at her natal for the likelihood of travel, 4L Jupiter aspects 12L >Sun. This is one of the classic combinations for people who leave the >country of their birth. Basically any connection from the 4th or 7th to >the 12th suggests emigration. The stronger it is -- say mixed with >Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu -- the most likely it will happen. In this chart >other factors are there: 9L Venus is conjunct Rahu, 4L Jupiter is afflicted >by Mars aspect. 12L Sun is in lagna. All point to leaving home and travel >to far away places. > >Maybe I'll look more closely at the timing question tomorrow. > >Christopher > > >Dear All, > > This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career > >opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is > >that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and >lord/occupants > >of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - > >Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( > >Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any >support > >from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel > >abroad in the near future. > >Please take a look - > >DOB: > >Date of birth : 30.9.1961 > >Time of birth : 7-15 IST > >Latitude : 010-46 N > >Longitude : 076-42 E > > > >Thanks- > >regards, Sunita. > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Dear friend, You are right. I am adding some perosnal information for benefit of all. I'm a Leo ascendant person. My 4th lord(12th from Moon) Mars placed in 8th house from lagna and 4th from Moon in Rasi and in navamsa lagna scorpio(4th sign of Rasi chart). Every transit of Mars over cancer has given me some sort of problem relating to health of my mother, a long distance travel(of course within India) and taking a long leave from duty (Mars significator of 8th, 9th transiting 12th from lagna). I am from eastern India now settled near Delhi, in North-West from my place of birth. My lagna lord Sun posited in 7th house aquarius(West), whose lord in turn is in Pisces(North). gjlist, "Sunita Menon" <sunita_menon@h...> wrote: > Hi Chris, > Thanks for the response (I was busy during the week, hence did not > check my mail). > She did travel a couple of times last year, but nothing lasting more than a > week. > Btw, I was wondering how D4 can be used for this. Do we look at it the same > way as we would at the Rasi chart e.g transits and aspects involving 4th, > 9th, 12th houses? > Thanks- > regards, Sunita. > > > >Christopher Kevill <ckevill@i...> > >gjlist > >gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad > >Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:50:08 -0500 > > > >Hi Sunita: > > > >I took a quick peek at this chart and thought that some travel was very > >possible later this year. She's running Ju-Ra as you say and will cross > >over to Saturn (the dark side?) in May-June. I'm less inclined to use > >dashas in this case because Saturn is so close to 0Cp00 (actually using > >krishnamurti, it IS at 0Cp00 which puts it in the 5th house. If you use > >lahiri ayanamsha it slips back to the 4th house and Sagittarius. In this > >configuration, it is more condicive to travel and relocation generally and > >also it will then receive Rahu's 5H aspect from the 12th house. > > > >However, I would place some importance on transits. Both Saturn and > >Jupiter are in her 9th house Taurus. That points to the possibility of > >travel at least. > > > >Looking at her natal for the likelihood of travel, 4L Jupiter aspects 12L > >Sun. This is one of the classic combinations for people who leave the > >country of their birth. Basically any connection from the 4th or 7th to > >the 12th suggests emigration. The stronger it is -- say mixed with > >Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu -- the most likely it will happen. In this chart > >other factors are there: 9L Venus is conjunct Rahu, 4L Jupiter is afflicted > >by Mars aspect. 12L Sun is in lagna. All point to leaving home and travel > >to far away places. > > > >Maybe I'll look more closely at the timing question tomorrow. > > > >Christopher > > > > >Dear All, > > > This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career > > >opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is > > >that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and > >lord/occupants > > >of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - > > >Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( > > >Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any > >support > > >from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel > > >abroad in the near future. > > >Please take a look - > > >DOB: > > >Date of birth : 30.9.1961 > > >Time of birth : 7-15 IST > > >Latitude : 010-46 N > > >Longitude : 076-42 E > > > > > >Thanks- > > >regards, Sunita. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2001 Report Share Posted January 31, 2001 Hi Sunita: As far as reading D-4, there are several approaches. I would try them all. Most basically, read the D-4 as you would the natal chart, looking for connections between 1,4,7, 9, and 12th houses and lords. Focus on dasha lords and transits of slow planets: Rahu Jupiter and Saturn. The next thing to try is look at key natal lords such as 4L, 9L and 12L and then look at their position in the D-4 chart. When will they be transited by "travel-oriented" planets? Also you can reverse that: take 1L, 4L in D-4 chart, Mercury, and look at contacts to it in the natal chart by transit. I would think travel is very likely for her this year, possibly in the late summer(Sep) owing to transiting Rahu's 9H aspect to natal Mercury (9Li13). Besides being D-4 ruler, it is also lagnesh in natal chart. Other possibilites would include transiting Ketu's 9H aspect to 9L Venus (14Le35) in 12th with Rahu. Because Venus is associated with the nodes in the 12th of "exile/emigration" nodal contacts to it may also produce emigration. That contact should occur in May. Both are possible, although I would favour May because of other western progressions at work at that time. Another western measure that strongly suggests removals from a medium term perspective (2 years or less) is secondary progressed MC conjunct Uranus (natal and progressed, depending on orb used) this year. All told, not much doubt about it. More info as I come by it. Chris At 03:11 PM 1/29/01, you wrote: >Hi Chris, > Thanks for the response (I was busy during the week, hence did not >check my mail). >She did travel a couple of times last year, but nothing lasting more than a >week. >Btw, I was wondering how D4 can be used for this. Do we look at it the same >way as we would at the Rasi chart e.g transits and aspects involving 4th, >9th, 12th houses? >Thanks- >regards, Sunita. > > >>Christopher Kevill <ckevill >>gjlist >>gjlist >>Re: [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad >>Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:50:08 -0500 >> >>Hi Sunita: >> >>I took a quick peek at this chart and thought that some travel was very >>possible later this year. She's running Ju-Ra as you say and will cross >>over to Saturn (the dark side?) in May-June. I'm less inclined to use >>dashas in this case because Saturn is so close to 0Cp00 (actually using >>krishnamurti, it IS at 0Cp00 which puts it in the 5th house. If you use >>lahiri ayanamsha it slips back to the 4th house and Sagittarius. In this >>configuration, it is more condicive to travel and relocation generally and >>also it will then receive Rahu's 5H aspect from the 12th house. >> >>However, I would place some importance on transits. Both Saturn and >>Jupiter are in her 9th house Taurus. That points to the possibility of >>travel at least. >> >>Looking at her natal for the likelihood of travel, 4L Jupiter aspects 12L >>Sun. This is one of the classic combinations for people who leave the >>country of their birth. Basically any connection from the 4th or 7th to >>the 12th suggests emigration. The stronger it is -- say mixed with >>Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu -- the most likely it will happen. In this chart >>other factors are there: 9L Venus is conjunct Rahu, 4L Jupiter is afflicted >>by Mars aspect. 12L Sun is in lagna. All point to leaving home and travel >>to far away places. >> >>Maybe I'll look more closely at the timing question tomorrow. >> >>Christopher >> >> >Dear All, >> > This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career >> >opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is >> >that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and >>lord/occupants >> >of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - >> >Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( >> >Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any >>support >> >from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel >> >abroad in the near future. >> >Please take a look - >> >DOB: >> >Date of birth : 30.9.1961 >> >Time of birth : 7-15 IST >> >Latitude : 010-46 N >> >Longitude : 076-42 E >> > >> >Thanks- >> >regards, Sunita. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________ >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > >> >gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>gjlist- >> >> >> > >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Hi Chris, You comment about moving out for about 2 years or less is extremely interesting, because sometime in december, she applied for a women's scholarship, which will enable her to do research in the U.S for approx. 2 years !!. The scholarship results will be announced this april. So, could you please tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? - Thanks - regards, Sunita. >Christopher Kevill <ckevill >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad >Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:28:02 -0500 > >Hi Sunita: > >As far as reading D-4, there are several approaches. I would try them all. > Most basically, read the D-4 as you would the natal chart, looking for >connections between 1,4,7, 9, and 12th houses and lords. Focus on dasha >lords and transits of slow planets: Rahu Jupiter and Saturn. The next >thing to try is look at key natal lords such as 4L, 9L and 12L and then >look at their position in the D-4 chart. When will they be transited by >"travel-oriented" planets? Also you can reverse that: take 1L, 4L in D-4 >chart, Mercury, and look at contacts to it in the natal chart by transit. > >I would think travel is very likely for her this year, possibly in the late >summer(Sep) owing to transiting Rahu's 9H aspect to natal Mercury (9Li13). >Besides being D-4 ruler, it is also lagnesh in natal chart. Other >possibilites would include transiting Ketu's 9H aspect to 9L Venus (14Le35) >in 12th with Rahu. Because Venus is associated with the nodes in the 12th >of "exile/emigration" nodal contacts to it may also produce emigration. >That contact should occur in May. Both are possible, although I would >favour May because of other western progressions at work at that time. >Another western measure that strongly suggests removals from a medium term >perspective (2 years or less) is secondary progressed MC conjunct Uranus >(natal and progressed, depending on orb used) this year. All told, not >much doubt about it. More info as I come by it. > >Chris > > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Sunita: Well, first off, I didn't say (or at least mean) that she would be moving *for* two years, only that as a long range trend, she would definitely be moving *within* two years. That was the secondary progressed MC conjunct progressed Uranus/natal Uranus. There's a fairly big orb to deal with there, so that's why I gave a two-year window. Now, I thought the shorter-term patterns suggested that the move would be this year, either in May or September. Since you say the results will be announced in April, that would make the May date too soon. September is thus more likely. It seems certain that she will win the competition as in April she will have a minor progressed station of Jupiter. best wishes, Chris At 06:52 PM 2/6/01, you wrote: >Hi Chris, > You comment about moving out for about 2 years or less is >extremely interesting, because sometime in december, she applied for a >women's scholarship, which will enable her to do research in the U.S for >approx. 2 years !!. The scholarship results will be announced this april. >So, could you please tell me how you arrived at that conclusion? - >Thanks - >regards, Sunita. > >>Christopher Kevill <ckevill >>gjlist >>gjlist >>Re: [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad >>Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:28:02 -0500 >> >>Hi Sunita: >> >>As far as reading D-4, there are several approaches. I would try them all. >> Most basically, read the D-4 as you would the natal chart, looking for >>connections between 1,4,7, 9, and 12th houses and lords. Focus on dasha >>lords and transits of slow planets: Rahu Jupiter and Saturn. The next >>thing to try is look at key natal lords such as 4L, 9L and 12L and then >>look at their position in the D-4 chart. When will they be transited by >>"travel-oriented" planets? Also you can reverse that: take 1L, 4L in D-4 >>chart, Mercury, and look at contacts to it in the natal chart by transit. >> >>I would think travel is very likely for her this year, possibly in the late >>summer(Sep) owing to transiting Rahu's 9H aspect to natal Mercury (9Li13). >>Besides being D-4 ruler, it is also lagnesh in natal chart. Other >>possibilites would include transiting Ketu's 9H aspect to 9L Venus (14Le35) >>in 12th with Rahu. Because Venus is associated with the nodes in the 12th >>of "exile/emigration" nodal contacts to it may also produce emigration. >>That contact should occur in May. Both are possible, although I would >>favour May because of other western progressions at work at that time. >>Another western measure that strongly suggests removals from a medium term >>perspective (2 years or less) is secondary progressed MC conjunct Uranus >>(natal and progressed, depending on orb used) this year. All told, not >>much doubt about it. More info as I come by it. >> >>Chris >> >> >_______________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >gjlist- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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