Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Hi everyone, I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my experience, it works: I've seen people who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the same... Don't know if / and why not- that's considered in Vedic astrology.? Regards, Anna - Sunita Menon gjlist Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:01 AM [gjlist] Travel/residence abroad Dear All, This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and lord/occupants of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be - Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa ( Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any support from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel abroad in the near future. Please take a look - DOB: Date of birth : 30.9.1961 Time of birth : 7-15 IST Latitude : 010-46 N Longitude : 076-42 E Thanks- regards, Sunita. _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Hi Anna, At 08:20 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my >experience, it works: I've seen people >who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the >same... Don't know if / and why not- >that's considered in Vedic astrology.? Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact, putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony with the ascendant, is an interesting venture. From a karmic, and thus strictly Vedic point of view, however, there are some problems with this: 1. Operative dasas - whether strong or weak - are going to have the final say about what you get, or don't get, in any particular place in the world sometime in life. 2. You will find that as dasas change, and you are thinking of moving, you gravitate to those parts of the world indicated by the ruling dasa planet's geographical direction. 3. "Astro-cartography", or chart relocation, can be misleading, in the sense that you may want to move somewhere pin-pointing an exact angular positioning of benefics like Jupiter or Venus, yet the natal disposition of those planets has greater weight than the relocated indications. Also, planets ruling bad houses in the relocated chart, may make such benefics malefic in spite of themselves. 4. The yearly chart: Western astrologers cast the yearly chart (solar return) from the place where the native currently resides. This is another type of relocated chart (if the person lives in a different place than where he/she was born). If we believe that we can relocate the chart to improve our destinies, then I can move several times within a year, to make the angles and planetary positions of the yearly chart as good as possible. I can (according to this theory), change my destiny as indicated by the yearly chart, by moving to a good place. Is this logical? So the point is, that there is a fundamental difference between Western and Vedic astrology and philosophies, so far as how far, and to what extent, one can change his destiny by manipulating the circumstances of life. The more you study Jyotish, and particularly the effects of dasas, you begin to evolve a philosophy that ascribes more to destiny, than to individual free will. Western astrology emphasizes the latter, whereas Vedic emphasizes the former. Free will, yes, is an indelible fact of life, yet free will meets with the circumstances presented by accountability to karmas spanning many lifetimes. So in my opinion, you will be in the right place, at the right time, when destiny calls you to carry out certain actions (karmas). We have much less control over these circumstances than we think we do. So does chart relocation work? Lets just say that if you are in some place, and the circumstances are favorable or otherwise, a relocated chart will simply show what operative dasas indicate as your destiny for that point in time in life. Anyway, this is my opinion. Still, it is worth researching, as it is true that some places are energetically different for different people than others (this has also been my experience as well). With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Robert A. Koch wrote: > Hi Anna, > > >Hi everyone, > > Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation > among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact, > putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony > with the ascendant, is an interesting venture. ....... I think Robert has said what I did not say: relocating to right spot is fine, but does the natus allow it? One may get out of the pan and fall into the fire! But worth a try, anyhow, to excercise one´s free will to the utmost! regards Mani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Thanks Robert, for discussing this issue. I relocated at the very beginning of Moon dasha, I guess to experience it's fool impact.. To fulfill my destiny- that's how I understood you. (?) On another hand you say, that tricky situation may appear- that person with say good placement of mars (as is my case), by relocation can have it, as I do, as a ruler of bad house (8th) and placed there... Do you imply that negative effects are more likely to manifest in a new location?...It's hard for me to grasp. On the other hand, I have a strong feeling that some people are more in sync with the energies of their (either native of relocated) environment, than other, and I AM sure that it is important.. Practically, I am unable to find the right answer... If say, I have a feeling of suffocated in the new environment, that may not mean that environment is not, generally speaking, "good" for me- rather that I am going through difficult dasha, and therefore, restrain myself from making decision.. Do I understand that well?.. We not always make decisions based on our needs, but on needs of those we love.. Yours, Anna - Robert A. Koch gjlist Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:02 PM [gjlist] Re: Travel/residence abroad/ Relocation Hi Anna, At 08:20 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my >experience, it works: I've seen people >who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the >same... Don't know if / and why not- >that's considered in Vedic astrology.? Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact, putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony with the ascendant, is an interesting venture. From a karmic, and thus strictly Vedic point of view, however, there are some problems with this: 1. Operative dasas - whether strong or weak - are going to have the final say about what you get, or don't get, in any particular place in the world sometime in life. 2. You will find that as dasas change, and you are thinking of moving, you gravitate to those parts of the world indicated by the ruling dasa planet's geographical direction. 3. "Astro-cartography", or chart relocation, can be misleading, in the sense that you may want to move somewhere pin-pointing an exact angular positioning of benefics like Jupiter or Venus, yet the natal disposition of those planets has greater weight than the relocated indications. Also, planets ruling bad houses in the relocated chart, may make such benefics malefic in spite of themselves. 4. The yearly chart: Western astrologers cast the yearly chart (solar return) from the place where the native currently resides. This is another type of relocated chart (if the person lives in a different place than where he/she was born). If we believe that we can relocate the chart to improve our destinies, then I can move several times within a year, to make the angles and planetary positions of the yearly chart as good as possible. I can (according to this theory), change my destiny as indicated by the yearly chart, by moving to a good place. Is this logical? So the point is, that there is a fundamental difference between Western and Vedic astrology and philosophies, so far as how far, and to what extent, one can change his destiny by manipulating the circumstances of life. The more you study Jyotish, and particularly the effects of dasas, you begin to evolve a philosophy that ascribes more to destiny, than to individual free will. Western astrology emphasizes the latter, whereas Vedic emphasizes the former. Free will, yes, is an indelible fact of life, yet free will meets with the circumstances presented by accountability to karmas spanning many lifetimes. So in my opinion, you will be in the right place, at the right time, when destiny calls you to carry out certain actions (karmas). We have much less control over these circumstances than we think we do. So does chart relocation work? Lets just say that if you are in some place, and the circumstances are favorable or otherwise, a relocated chart will simply show what operative dasas indicate as your destiny for that point in time in life. Anyway, this is my opinion. Still, it is worth researching, as it is true that some places are energetically different for different people than others (this has also been my experience as well). With regards, Robert ===================================== Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer 760 NW Broken Arrow Rd. Bend, OR. 97701-9037 Phone: 541-318-0248 visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail rk. rk gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2001 Report Share Posted January 25, 2001 Anna: Just thought I'd poke my head in the door here. I gather you're not doing well at the new location. I feel a bit responsible because I see your net address is in Canada. So am I. Where are you? If you wouldn't mind, could you give me your data so I can see how things might be working for you? I'll let Robert At 07:35 PM 1/25/01 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Robert, >for discussing this issue. I relocated at the very beginning of Moon dasha, I guess to experience it's fool impact.. >To fulfill my destiny- that's how I understood you. (?) > >On another hand you say, that tricky situation may appear- that person with say good placement of mars (as is my case), by relocation can have it, as I do, as a ruler of bad house (8th) and placed there... Do you imply that negative effects are more likely to manifest in a new location?...It's hard for me to grasp. On the other hand, I have a strong feeling that some people are more in sync with the energies of their (either native of relocated) environment, than other, and I AM sure that it is important.. Practically, I am unable to find the right answer... I don't mean to step in for Robert -- he'll answer for himself I'm sure -- but I would say that one ought to follow the natal chart as far as rulerships go. If Mars is a good house ruler (lagnesh or yogakaraka) then moving to its "line" should bring Martian-like benefits of those houses, depending on other factors. I don't think the new chart and new rulerships count for as much. I'm not sure, of course, since it's a very new area in vedic astrology, but that would be my guess. So if Mars now rules the 8th in the relocated chart, that's not as important as what it ruled in your natal chart, IMHO. Of course, one also has to look at aspects to Mars, divisional charts, etc. > >If say, I have a feeling of suffocated in the new environment, that may not mean that environment is not, generally speaking, "good" for me- rather that I am going through difficult dasha, and therefore, restrain myself from making decision.. Do I understand that well?.. We not always make decisions based on our needs, but on needs of those we love.. Yes, I think dashas overrule relocation factors although perhaps they can mitigate the extremes. You cannot move during an otherwise grim Venus dasha whereby Venus ruled the 8th, was closely afflicted by Mars and Saturn and fallen in navamsha and hope things will turn out magically wonderful. It ain't gonna happen. But if you were born on a Venus line (ie. angular on the cusp) and you moved off that line, I suspect that would improve things somewhat. A tough thing to test, short of going back and forth for several months at a time and comparing. best wishes to a fellow Canuck, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2001 Report Share Posted January 26, 2001 Hi Dharmapada, Thanks for info- but you missed to mention the name of author- and if it cannot be found in bookstores, do you know where one can buy it . Thanks, Anna - Dean De Lucia In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign residency. Dharmapada gjlist- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 On this subject, I can recommend, a Book of Shri M.S. Mehta, a Foreign Service Official himself, who has written a book titled "Travel Abroad". Its an excellent book. regards, Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 > > Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation > > among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact, > > putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony > > with the ascendant, is an interesting venture. In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign residency. Dharmapada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 Sorry Anna- The name of the book is How to Judge a Horoscope, part II, by B. V. Raman. It is one of the more widely available. Later, Dharmapada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Anna, I am a space case! The author is B.V. Raman. I know that the Bodhi Tree, in Los Angeles, sells it. > Hi Dharmapada, > > Thanks for info- but you missed to mention the name of author- and if it cannot be found in bookstores, do you know where one can buy it . > Thanks, > Anna > - > Dean De Lucia > In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign > residency. > > Dharmapada > > > > gjlist- > > > > gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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