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Hi everyone,

 

I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my

experience, it works: I've seen people

who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the

same... Don't know if / and why not-

that's considered in Vedic astrology.?

 

Regards,

Anna

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Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:01 AM

[gjlist] Travel/residence abroad

 

 

Dear All,

This native has been unsuccessfully exploring career

opportunities abroad for quite some time now. My limited understanding is

that significators of foreign travel/residence are Rahu and lord/occupants

of 9th/ 12th house. Based on that, for this chart would that be -

Venus/Moon/Sun ? The native is currently at the fag end of Jupiter Dasa (

Rahu Antar ), and although Rahu is a significator, I do not see any support

from Jupiter or Saturn (Next Dasa lord) to indicate that she will travel

abroad in the near future.

Please take a look -

DOB:

Date of birth : 30.9.1961

Time of birth : 7-15 IST

Latitude : 010-46 N

Longitude : 076-42 E

 

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regards, Sunita.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Anna,

 

At 08:20 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my

>experience, it works: I've seen people

>who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the

>same... Don't know if / and why not-

>that's considered in Vedic astrology.?

 

Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation

among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact,

putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony

with the ascendant, is an interesting venture.

 

From a karmic, and thus strictly Vedic point of view, however, there are

some problems with this:

 

1. Operative dasas - whether strong or weak - are going to have the final

say about what you get, or don't get, in any particular place in the world

sometime in life.

 

2. You will find that as dasas change, and you are thinking of moving, you

gravitate to those parts of the world indicated by the ruling dasa planet's

geographical direction.

 

3. "Astro-cartography", or chart relocation, can be misleading, in the

sense that you may want to move somewhere pin-pointing an exact angular

positioning of benefics like Jupiter or Venus, yet the natal disposition of

those planets has greater weight than the relocated indications. Also,

planets ruling bad houses in the relocated chart, may make such benefics

malefic in spite of themselves.

 

4. The yearly chart: Western astrologers cast the yearly chart (solar

return) from the place where the native currently resides. This is another

type of relocated chart (if the person lives in a different place than

where he/she was born). If we believe that we can relocate the chart to

improve our destinies, then I can move several times within a year, to make

the angles and planetary positions of the yearly chart as good as

possible. I can (according to this theory), change my destiny as indicated

by the yearly chart, by moving to a good place. Is this logical?

 

So the point is, that there is a fundamental difference between Western and

Vedic astrology and philosophies, so far as how far, and to what extent,

one can change his destiny by manipulating the circumstances of life. The

more you study Jyotish, and particularly the effects of dasas, you begin to

evolve a philosophy that ascribes more to destiny, than to individual free

will. Western astrology emphasizes the latter, whereas Vedic emphasizes

the former. Free will, yes, is an indelible fact of life, yet free will

meets with the circumstances presented by accountability to karmas spanning

many lifetimes. So in my opinion, you will be in the right place, at the

right time, when destiny calls you to carry out certain actions

(karmas). We have much less control over these circumstances than we think

we do.

 

So does chart relocation work? Lets just say that if you are in some

place, and the circumstances are favorable or otherwise, a relocated chart

will simply show what operative dasas indicate as your destiny for that

point in time in life. Anyway, this is my opinion. Still, it is worth

researching, as it is true that some places are energetically different for

different people than others (this has also been my experience as well).

 

With regards,

Robert

 

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Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

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Robert A. Koch wrote:

> Hi Anna,

>

 

> >Hi everyone,

>

> Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation

> among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact,

> putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony

> with the ascendant, is an interesting venture.

.......

 

I think Robert has said what I did not say: relocating to right spot is fine,

but does the natus allow it? One may get out of the pan and fall into the fire!

But worth a try, anyhow, to excercise one´s free will to the utmost!

 

regards

 

Mani

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Thanks Robert,

for discussing this issue. I relocated at the very beginning of Moon dasha, I

guess to experience it's fool impact..

To fulfill my destiny- that's how I understood you. (?)

 

On another hand you say, that tricky situation may appear- that person with say

good placement of mars (as is my case), by relocation can have it, as I do, as a

ruler of bad house (8th) and placed there... Do you imply that negative effects

are more likely to manifest in a new location?...It's hard for me to grasp. On

the other hand, I have a strong feeling that some people are more in sync with

the energies of their (either native of relocated) environment, than other, and

I AM sure that it is important.. Practically, I am unable to find the right

answer...

 

If say, I have a feeling of suffocated in the new environment, that may not mean

that environment is not, generally speaking, "good" for me- rather that I am

going through difficult dasha, and therefore, restrain myself from making

decision.. Do I understand that well?.. We not always make decisions based on

our needs, but on needs of those we love..

 

Yours,

Anna

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Robert A. Koch

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Thursday, January 25, 2001 3:02 PM

[gjlist] Re: Travel/residence abroad/ Relocation

 

 

Hi Anna,

 

At 08:20 PM 1/24/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>I haven't seen so far anything related to relocation chart- as per my

>experience, it works: I've seen people

>who live much better after relocation, and those adversely affected by the

>same... Don't know if / and why not-

>that's considered in Vedic astrology.?

 

Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart relocation

among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in fact,

putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater harmony

with the ascendant, is an interesting venture.

 

From a karmic, and thus strictly Vedic point of view, however, there are

some problems with this:

 

1. Operative dasas - whether strong or weak - are going to have the final

say about what you get, or don't get, in any particular place in the world

sometime in life.

 

2. You will find that as dasas change, and you are thinking of moving, you

gravitate to those parts of the world indicated by the ruling dasa planet's

geographical direction.

 

3. "Astro-cartography", or chart relocation, can be misleading, in the

sense that you may want to move somewhere pin-pointing an exact angular

positioning of benefics like Jupiter or Venus, yet the natal disposition of

those planets has greater weight than the relocated indications. Also,

planets ruling bad houses in the relocated chart, may make such benefics

malefic in spite of themselves.

 

4. The yearly chart: Western astrologers cast the yearly chart (solar

return) from the place where the native currently resides. This is another

type of relocated chart (if the person lives in a different place than

where he/she was born). If we believe that we can relocate the chart to

improve our destinies, then I can move several times within a year, to make

the angles and planetary positions of the yearly chart as good as

possible. I can (according to this theory), change my destiny as indicated

by the yearly chart, by moving to a good place. Is this logical?

 

So the point is, that there is a fundamental difference between Western and

Vedic astrology and philosophies, so far as how far, and to what extent,

one can change his destiny by manipulating the circumstances of life. The

more you study Jyotish, and particularly the effects of dasas, you begin to

evolve a philosophy that ascribes more to destiny, than to individual free

will. Western astrology emphasizes the latter, whereas Vedic emphasizes

the former. Free will, yes, is an indelible fact of life, yet free will

meets with the circumstances presented by accountability to karmas spanning

many lifetimes. So in my opinion, you will be in the right place, at the

right time, when destiny calls you to carry out certain actions

(karmas). We have much less control over these circumstances than we think

we do.

 

So does chart relocation work? Lets just say that if you are in some

place, and the circumstances are favorable or otherwise, a relocated chart

will simply show what operative dasas indicate as your destiny for that

point in time in life. Anyway, this is my opinion. Still, it is worth

researching, as it is true that some places are energetically different for

different people than others (this has also been my experience as well).

 

With regards,

Robert

 

=====================================

Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer

760 NW Broken Arrow Rd.

Bend, OR. 97701-9037

Phone: 541-318-0248

visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> or e-mail

rk. rk

 

 

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Anna:

 

Just thought I'd poke my head in the door here. I gather you're not doing

well at the new location. I feel a bit responsible because I see your net

address is in Canada. So am I. Where are you? If you wouldn't mind,

could you give me your data so I can see how things might be working for

you?

 

I'll let Robert At 07:35 PM 1/25/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Thanks Robert,

>for discussing this issue. I relocated at the very beginning of Moon

dasha, I guess to experience it's fool impact..

>To fulfill my destiny- that's how I understood you. (?)

>

>On another hand you say, that tricky situation may appear- that person

with say good placement of mars (as is my case), by relocation can have it,

as I do, as a ruler of bad house (8th) and placed there... Do you imply

that negative effects are more likely to manifest in a new location?...It's

hard for me to grasp. On the other hand, I have a strong feeling that some

people are more in sync with the energies of their (either native of

relocated) environment, than other, and I AM sure that it is important..

Practically, I am unable to find the right answer...

 

I don't mean to step in for Robert -- he'll answer for himself I'm sure --

but I would say that one ought to follow the natal chart as far as

rulerships go. If Mars is a good house ruler (lagnesh or yogakaraka) then

moving to its "line" should bring Martian-like benefits of those houses,

depending on other factors. I don't think the new chart and new rulerships

count for as much. I'm not sure, of course, since it's a very new area in

vedic astrology, but that would be my guess. So if Mars now rules the 8th

in the relocated chart, that's not as important as what it ruled in your

natal chart, IMHO. Of course, one also has to look at aspects to Mars,

divisional charts, etc.

 

>

>If say, I have a feeling of suffocated in the new environment, that may

not mean that environment is not, generally speaking, "good" for me- rather

that I am going through difficult dasha, and therefore, restrain myself

from making decision.. Do I understand that well?.. We not always make

decisions based on our needs, but on needs of those we love..

 

Yes, I think dashas overrule relocation factors although perhaps they can

mitigate the extremes. You cannot move during an otherwise grim Venus dasha

whereby Venus ruled the 8th, was closely afflicted by Mars and Saturn and

fallen in navamsha and hope things will turn out magically wonderful. It

ain't gonna happen. But if you were born on a Venus line (ie. angular on

the cusp) and you moved off that line, I suspect that would improve things

somewhat. A tough thing to test, short of going back and forth for several

months at a time and comparing.

 

best wishes to a fellow Canuck,

 

Chris

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Hi Dharmapada,

 

Thanks for info- but you missed to mention the name of author- and if it cannot

be found in bookstores, do you know where one can buy it .

Thanks,

Anna

-

Dean De Lucia

In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign

residency.

 

Dharmapada

 

 

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On this subject, I can recommend, a Book of Shri M.S. Mehta, a Foreign

Service Official himself, who has written a book titled "Travel Abroad". Its

an excellent book.

 

regards,

 

Manoj

 

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> > Yes, you're going to find that there isn't much talk about chart

relocation

> > among the Vedic astrologers. In my experience, it does work, and in

fact,

> > putting yourself someplace where the natal planets are in greater

harmony

> > with the ascendant, is an interesting venture.

 

 

In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign

residency.

 

Dharmapada

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Anna,

 

I am a space case! The author is B.V. Raman.

 

I know that the Bodhi Tree, in Los Angeles, sells it.

 

> Hi Dharmapada,

>

> Thanks for info- but you missed to mention the name of author- and if it

cannot be found in bookstores, do you know where one can buy it .

> Thanks,

> Anna

> -

> Dean De Lucia

> In How to Judge a Horoscope, Part II, there is a nice section on foreign

> residency.

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> Dharmapada

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