Such a Pity

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Dear Members

It's such a pity that fun is made of an important aspect of jyotish. I

realize the need for some light-heartedness (at times) and I respect the

rights of others to express their (different) opinions. However, in light of

the fact that Parashara himself prescribed quite specific remedies for each

affliction, I think it's short-sighted (at best) to advocate "One cannot

change (or modify) one's karma".

 

Parashara states:

"The person born at the Sankranti (entry of the Sun in a new sign) is poor

and unhappy, but he becomes well-to-do and happy if remedial measures are

undertaken"

 

So it's evident that Parashara himself believed it possible to relieve the

suffering of Men by performing remedial measures.

 

Why were Gems not mentioned in Parashara...I don't know the answer to

that...perhaps that was part of his teachings that have been lost to us? I

do know however that many great sages/saints have advocated the use of

remedial gems. Paramahansa Yogananda's Guru, the great Jnanavatar

(incarnation of wisdom) Sri Yukteswar, himself a proficient astrologer,

prescribed remedial gems. There is a long history of their use by the wisest

of the wise going back thousands of years...one has to respect that at

least!

 

Unfortunately, in this greedy world we live in today, most gems have been so

overpriced that the average person cannot afford them...and then there's the

issue of where to find jyotish quality gems...it all takes a great deal of

effort, not an "easy fix" at all as some would advocate.

 

For many "Westerners" the performance of the correct prayers and rituals

becomes a daunting task...where are the priests to instruct them in the

performance of Puja? Then there's the question of (correct) pronunciation of

the mantras, etc...

 

If a person is ill he goes to a doctor, who prescribes him some medicine

(remedy), sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Gems, I believe, are

nature's greatest remedies...with no adverse side affects.

 

Regards

Wendy

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| However, in light of the fact that Parashara himself prescribed quite

specific

| remedies for each affliction, I think it's short-sighted (at best) to

advocate "One cannot

| change (or modify) one's karma".

 

Karma is temporary by definition, since it's material. It's limited by time,

and Jyotish shows us the the details of the effects of time. Anything

material is subject to modification, again by definition. All you have to

know is the proper method.

 

| So it's evident that Parashara himself believed it possible to

| relieve the suffering of Men by performing remedial measures.

 

Quite right, and as I have pointed out, the remedies are given throughout

the Vedic scriptures. The problem is that most of us have lost sight of

them, don't understand or don't believe them. The aim of the Vedas is to

liberate humans from suffering. This does not mean stopping bad karma and

enhancing good karma, it means getting out of karma altogether. Liberation

is the best and the only real (permanenet) remedy for all suffering.

 

| For many "Westerners" the performance of the correct prayers and rituals

| becomes a daunting task...where are the priests to instruct them in the

| performance of Puja? Then there's the question of (correct) pronunciation

of

| the mantras, etc...

 

Correct pronunciation is only an issue with the mantras of the karma-kanda,

such as the sacrifices to the demigods mentioned in the Vedas. However this

is not recommended for Kali-yuga anyway, since the yuga-dharma is

nama-sankirtana or congregational chanting of the Holy Names of God. In

sankirtana proper pronounciation and intonation of the mantra is not an

issue, since the whole process is transcendental or unconditiojnal in its

effect from beginning to end.

 

| If a person is ill he goes to a doctor, who prescribes him some medicine

| (remedy), sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Gems, I believe, are

| nature's greatest remedies...with no adverse side affects.

 

And even better is the Holy Name (sankirtan-yajna) and Visnu-prasadam. This

is the original remedy from the original physician, the Lord Himself. If you

like I can present hundreds of quotes from the Vedic scriptures to back this

point up. Here's one from the Gita to start with. Hare Krsna!

 

yajna-sistasinah santo

mucyante sarva-kilbisaih

bhunjate te tv agham papa

ye pacanty atma-karanat

 

SYNONYMS

 

yajna-sista--food taken after performance of yajna;

asinah--eaters; santah--the devotees; mucyante--get relief from;

sarva--all kinds of; kilbisaih--from sins; bhunjate--enjoy;

te--they; tu--but; agham--grievous sins; papah--sinners;

ye--those; pacanti--prepare food; atma-karanat--for sense

enjoyment.

 

TRANSLATION

 

The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins

because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice.

Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat

only sin. [bhagavad-gita 3.13]

 

Dasanudas

 

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AIM GURAVE NAMAH

 

Dear Das das das anudas

 

I do agree with you, but it is such a Pity that not everybody sees

that way, I do have the painfull experience to go stray , Try so many

Stones and guess what? my ego grow to such a height a litle less than

Hiranyaksha so I neglected this powerfull remedial meassure ' Hari

Nam' After all we should not forget that when Lord Krishna departed

almost inmediatly all the Vedic knowledge including Jyotish , Ayur

VEda etc , were lost and several incarnations Avatars such as Lord

Bhudha, Madhavacharya, Ramanuja, Shankara and Lord Sri Chaitanya, are

reestoring the Vedic Knowledge, so much bla bla and quoting Parashara

and Rishis is just an futil attempt to adjust or miseries or made

them more easy going I will say 'Self delluding'.

 

my experience

 

Your fallen servant

Chaitanya S. das

 

 

 

 

gjlist, "Bhaktisiddhartha Dasanudas" <dasanudas@m...>

wrote:

>

>

> | However, in light of the fact that Parashara himself prescribed

quite

> specific

> | remedies for each affliction, I think it's short-sighted (at

best) to

> advocate "One cannot

> | change (or modify) one's karma".

>

> Karma is temporary by definition, since it's material. It's limited

by time,

> and Jyotish shows us the the details of the effects of time.

Anything

> material is subject to modification, again by definition. All you

have to

> know is the proper method.

>

> | So it's evident that Parashara himself believed it possible to

> | relieve the suffering of Men by performing remedial measures.

>

> Quite right, and as I have pointed out, the remedies are given

throughout

> the Vedic scriptures. The problem is that most of us have lost

sight of

> them, don't understand or don't believe them. The aim of the Vedas

is to

> liberate humans from suffering. This does not mean stopping bad

karma and

> enhancing good karma, it means getting out of karma altogether.

Liberation

> is the best and the only real (permanenet) remedy for all suffering.

>

> | For many "Westerners" the performance of the correct prayers and

rituals

> | becomes a daunting task...where are the priests to instruct them

in the

> | performance of Puja? Then there's the question of (correct)

pronunciation

> of

> | the mantras, etc...

>

> Correct pronunciation is only an issue with the mantras of the

karma-kanda,

> such as the sacrifices to the demigods mentioned in the Vedas.

However this

> is not recommended for Kali-yuga anyway, since the yuga-dharma is

> nama-sankirtana or congregational chanting of the Holy Names of

God. In

> sankirtana proper pronounciation and intonation of the mantra is

not an

> issue, since the whole process is transcendental or unconditiojnal

in its

> effect from beginning to end.

>

> | If a person is ill he goes to a doctor, who prescribes him some

medicine

> | (remedy), sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Gems, I

believe, are

> | nature's greatest remedies...with no adverse side affects.

>

> And even better is the Holy Name (sankirtan-yajna) and Visnu-

prasadam. This

> is the original remedy from the original physician, the Lord

Himself. If you

> like I can present hundreds of quotes from the Vedic scriptures to

back this

> point up. Here's one from the Gita to start with. Hare Krsna!

>

> yajna-sistasinah santo

> mucyante sarva-kilbisaih

> bhunjate te tv agham papa

> ye pacanty atma-karanat

>

> SYNONYMS

>

> yajna-sista--food taken after performance of yajna;

> asinah--eaters; santah--the devotees; mucyante--get relief from;

> sarva--all kinds of; kilbisaih--from sins; bhunjate--enjoy;

> te--they; tu--but; agham--grievous sins; papah--sinners;

> ye--those; pacanti--prepare food; atma-karanat--for sense

> enjoyment.

>

> TRANSLATION

>

> The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins

> because they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice.

> Others, who prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat

> only sin. [bhagavad-gita 3.13]

>

> Dasanudas

>

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