Sv: Which Ayanamsa to choose?

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Namaste.

 

All astrologers should use Lahiri until they find its faults, then chose another

Ayanamsa.

 

Look at your chart and try to explain the events related to it.

 

Astrologers that have been practicing for tens of years with Lahiri have spotted

some errors in Lahiri Ayanamsa, but they are very small and are related to

Divisional charts, so please try to exaplain your events using Lahiri, and then

with time if it all fails make the appropriate corrections.

 

Inder wrote a very good email about this, in the past, i recommend finding it in

the archives.

 

Best wishes, Visti.

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Visti Larsen schrieb:

> Namaste.

>

> All astrologers should use Lahiri until they find its faults, then chose

> another Ayanamsa.

>

> Look at your chart and try to explain the events related to it.

 

Dear visti,

 

You are right in the negative way, but don´t give a real answer. Who can? For

years I have thought about this problem, but there seems to be no tangible

solution in the scientific sense. One tries to evaluate a certain experience and

tries to tally it with possible predictive methods like vargas. But the

evaluation of the circumstance itself is not absolute: the birth of a child may

be great for a happily married woman, a burden for an unhappily married woman, a

disaster (at least some years ago) for an unmarried woman! So the subjective

feeling is perhaps what counts. Then too, the subjective feeling fades with

time and in revewing the past, the native´s estimation of past experiences is

not what he or she felt at that time!

 

With the change of ayanamsa a number of things change: vargas, balas etc. To

compare all the possibilities is a terrible task. To say which suits best is

impossible! We have NO control to show how things would be if other

combinations were right!

 

Even Rasi readings don´t really mean much. Am I taurus lagna or Gemini 9s a

question. A difference of a few minutes in TOB could change he lagna. But

somewhere there is a limit, a second, a nona-second or smaller would change the

lagna.

 

But then, are the divisions absolute or analog? Do the qualities change abruptly

or gradually? What if one is born at the junction, neither here nor there?

 

The seeds of circumstances are sown long before they sprout. So even dasas do

not help, nothing needs to jappen during an "appropriate dasa", could be a bit

earlier or later.

 

The only test for ayanamsas lies in studying unexpected and unplanned

circumstances in the life of the same person. An accident, a sudden sickness or

an operation - not one fixed in advance but suddenly necessary, or one planned

but suddenly postponed - meeting the Great LOve, death - sdeden- of a

particularly lovrd persn etc. would help. .... Nothing that needs incubation

period.

 

Here too, one has to go to at least the third level of the Dasa.

 

Further one has to check each method with 360/365 days, not/or with parallax

Moon. So the job is pretty tough. Then you have such problems as exalted

Jupiter as owner of 8th or 12th, being perhaps retrograde... all controversial

matters - they have been discussed to death on the list, without any conclusive

results being arrived at! There are too few clear-cut cases to test with.

 

Rather than aspiring for accuracy, one should try to improve one´s intuition.

 

regards

Mani

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Dear Mani, Namaste.

Its true that many people develope very strong intuitions with time in

astrology, yet it shouldn't be encouraged to master ones clairvoyant

ability, but to master this science to its finest.. the rest will come with

time, and one day you may become a Maharishi, and will have no need of

astrological calculations.

 

On this list you rarely portray any astrological ability, yet you feel you

have a say in sticky astrological matters. I'm not trying to undermine your

capabilities, but a priest who only qoutes one or two phrases from the bible

isn't a serious priest, but may still have the right essence of

spirituality.

 

Encourage all Jyotishas to use Lahiri and learn to rectify propperly with

the same..As its been done for so long! Once things look wrong with lahiri

we should try adjusting the aynamsa to the appropriate degree, but if one

choses an ayanamsa out of the blue and only knows the name of the same, then

why bother even trying to understand the topic at all(not reffering to you).

 

Keywords are: knowledge and understanding.. we want clever Jyotishas.

 

If any of these points seems wrong, please answer.

Best wishes, Visti.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Visti, what you wrote has been on my mind lately, so, I think it

should be added as a keyword a person's caring capacity, because I think

I remember in a post a while back, that Jyotish is a brahminical

science, so compassion should be there too, along with the knowledge.

It makes me wonder though how different Jyotish was, way back when all

the Jyotishis were priests. I would think they helped people because it

was the right thing to do, rather than helping people for the

recognition of doing the right thing, that seems very priestly. Angie

[Guest guest]

Is there only one to choose for every purpose really ? I had reason to look

something up for an astrologer on another list in Shil-Ponde's book that I

have and noticed fortuitously ( praise be to Ganesha ) that the ayanamsha

that he uses for the dashas is different from the one he uses for the natal

chart . He makes great show of pointing this out . Forgive me for saying so

, but IMHO it could be that with the 'ancient' ayanamshas the differences

arise from the differing dates at which these rishis' work/s took form ( or

there is some technical reason for perceived discrepancies that arose from

the specific purposes they had in their illumined minds and that we are no

longer privy to ? ) .

 

 

Martin Howe

KIRKWALL

Orkney