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April 12, 2001

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

Namaste dear GJ listers!

it dawned on me the other day that there was yet another interesting

Guru link in one's chart....not only in the Navamsha chart can one

look to the amsha 12th to the Karakamsha....but (using my own chart as

an example)...one can also look for possible Grahas in the rashi

chart, 12th to the ascendant...or the Chandra Lagna...(it's difficult

for me to differentiate them because in my own chart they are

coincidental....both Chandra Lagna and Lagna are in Capricorn..)

so looking 12th to Capricorn, we find Sagittarius...and in my chart we

also find Mercury in the 12th, in Mula.....now what is that crazy guy

trying to get at?

Well, dear ones, 12th House is also Guru's home or ashram as

well as a Moksha House...and one might just look for indicators of

Guru there...in my chart as i said Mercury, is there, and it turns out

that Mercury is my Guru, Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi's Atmakaraka

(and ruler of my Ninth house...ruler of the 9th in the 12th!!)....so

Amma's Atmakaraka Budha is sitting nicely in my "guru's home" in MULA

("The Roots")....indicating the Galactic Center....and links to the

Dark Goddess Niritti, an aspect of the Great Mother Kali (whom i have

special fondness for!) in simpler language we might say that the Lord

of the House of the Guru, the 9th is in the Guru's Home, the 12th, a

house of liberation...it's almost TOOOOO perfect, and makes me wonder

just how common this is.

i think that this may be a useful corroboration tool for those who

wish to study the interactions between their charts and their

Teachers' charts...

in my case, my Atmakaraka, Saturn, fell into Gemini in Navamsha, thus

indicating Taurus (the Navamsha Lagna and Natal 5th) to be home of the

Beloved Deity---(thus Deity is to be found within!)....which is ruled

by Venus....which is Amma's Lagnesha...As well, Saturn is in my ninth

house (natal chart), which is also indicator for the Guru....and we

will find that Sani is at home in Shasha Yoga in Amma's Lagna Bhava,

Libra, also ruled by Venus.....so we have three very strong indicators

of this connection between Amma and her child....the same goes for

many devotees,

and very likely holds true for many other Gurus and their devotees...

If the Guru says that we have been together for lifetimes before, then

that should be noticeable in one's chart...and Amma has said many

times that those who are with Her now have been with Her many many

lifetimes...She remembers them all, but we do not...just like Sri

Krsna and Arjuna in the Gita.

In fact the very first time in this life i ever met Ammachi, the first

evening program i attended in a hot stuffy hall, overcrowded with

people, on an old military base (Fort Flagler State Park in

Washington)...Amma after going to the front of the hall, bowed in full

pranam to all Her children for an incredibly long time...and getting

up commenced the satsang with: "Amma wants you to know that everyone

in this hall has been with Her before."

this was NOT directed at the old timers...it WAS directed at those of

us like me who had come the FIRST time....it made us reflect and

wonder....and established an immediate sense of connection with Her...

There was never any sense of Strangeness with Amma, although one was

in awe, and even slightly a little fearful.....after all, whose mind

is pure enough that they might not feel a little apprehensive at

coming into contact with Someone Who knows your every thought, who in

fact knows you better than yourself....and has known you for many many

lives....Oh that is a humbling feeling....knowing that Amma knows all

my past doings...but still, there was no sense of strangeness with

Her...She seemed the MOST FAMILIAR person i had ever been with...even

though i couldn't speak a word of Her language, and She wouldn't talk

much in mine...it felt more like a long relationship which finally,

sweetly was being taken up again between the Divine Mother in

the form of my Guru, and the child soul....to my eternal gratitude!!!

May Her blessings be upon us always!

In That Mother's Sacred Name

and in Her Loving Service,

this littlest toddler

of Hers,

bows humbly,

again and again

to all his

elder sisters and brothers

on this list

who so graciously

share their time

and energy

with us,

the infants,

helping us

to grow everyday

in understanding

of the Sacred Mysteries

of the Divine Light!!

As ever,

Your Own Self,

visvanathan

Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

April 12, 2001

Dear Visvanathan,

I've been reading your mails regarding Amma and wondering who she is and

where/how to see/meet her. Please tell me something about these practical

sides of it. Is there a web-site I could visit?

Regards, Liliana

>kasi_visvanath

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>Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!!

>

>Namaste dear GJ listers!

>

>it dawned on me the other day that there was yet another interesting

>Guru link in one's chart....not only in the Navamsha chart can one

>look to the amsha 12th to the Karakamsha....but (using my own chart as

>an example)...one can also look for possible Grahas in the rashi

>chart, 12th to the ascendant...or the Chandra Lagna...(it's difficult

>for me to differentiate them because in my own chart they are

>coincidental....both Chandra Lagna and Lagna are in Capricorn..)

>

>so looking 12th to Capricorn, we find Sagittarius...and in my chart we

>also find Mercury in the 12th, in Mula.....now what is that crazy guy

>trying to get at?

>

>Well, dear ones, 12th House is also Guru's home or ashram as

>well as a Moksha House...and one might just look for indicators of

>Guru there...in my chart as i said Mercury, is there, and it turns out

>that Mercury is my Guru, Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi's Atmakaraka

>(and ruler of my Ninth house...ruler of the 9th in the 12th!!)....so

>Amma's Atmakaraka Budha is sitting nicely in my "guru's home" in MULA

>("The Roots")....indicating the Galactic Center....and links to the

>Dark Goddess Niritti, an aspect of the Great Mother Kali (whom i have

>special fondness for!) in simpler language we might say that the Lord

>of the House of the Guru, the 9th is in the Guru's Home, the 12th, a

>house of liberation...it's almost TOOOOO perfect, and makes me wonder

>just how common this is.

>

>i think that this may be a useful corroboration tool for those who

>wish to study the interactions between their charts and their

>Teachers' charts...

>

>in my case, my Atmakaraka, Saturn, fell into Gemini in Navamsha, thus

>indicating Taurus (the Navamsha Lagna and Natal 5th) to be home of the

>Beloved Deity---(thus Deity is to be found within!)....which is ruled

>by Venus....which is Amma's Lagnesha...As well, Saturn is in my ninth

>house (natal chart), which is also indicator for the Guru....and we

>will find that Sani is at home in Shasha Yoga in Amma's Lagna Bhava,

>Libra, also ruled by Venus.....so we have three very strong indicators

>of this connection between Amma and her child....the same goes for

>many devotees,

>and very likely holds true for many other Gurus and their devotees...

>

>If the Guru says that we have been together for lifetimes before, then

>that should be noticeable in one's chart...and Amma has said many

>times that those who are with Her now have been with Her many many

>lifetimes...She remembers them all, but we do not...just like Sri

>Krsna and Arjuna in the Gita.

>

>In fact the very first time in this life i ever met Ammachi, the first

>evening program i attended in a hot stuffy hall, overcrowded with

>people, on an old military base (Fort Flagler State Park in

>Washington)...Amma after going to the front of the hall, bowed in full

>pranam to all Her children for an incredibly long time...and getting

>up commenced the satsang with: "Amma wants you to know that everyone

>in this hall has been with Her before."

>

>this was NOT directed at the old timers...it WAS directed at those of

>us like me who had come the FIRST time....it made us reflect and

>wonder....and established an immediate sense of connection with Her...

>There was never any sense of Strangeness with Amma, although one was

>in awe, and even slightly a little fearful.....after all, whose mind

>is pure enough that they might not feel a little apprehensive at

>coming into contact with Someone Who knows your every thought, who in

>fact knows you better than yourself....and has known you for many many

>lives....Oh that is a humbling feeling....knowing that Amma knows all

>my past doings...but still, there was no sense of strangeness with

>Her...She seemed the MOST FAMILIAR person i had ever been with...even

>though i couldn't speak a word of Her language, and She wouldn't talk

>much in mine...it felt more like a long relationship which finally,

>sweetly was being taken up again between the Divine Mother in

>the form of my Guru, and the child soul....to my eternal gratitude!!!

>

>May Her blessings be upon us always!

>

>In That Mother's Sacred Name

>and in Her Loving Service,

>this littlest toddler

>of Hers,

>bows humbly,

>again and again

>to all his

>elder sisters and brothers

>on this list

>who so graciously

>share their time

>and energy

>with us,

>the infants,

>helping us

>to grow everyday

>in understanding

>of the Sacred Mysteries

>of the Divine Light!!

>

>As ever,

>Your Own Self,

>

>visvanathan

>

>Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!

>

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>

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April 12, 2001

Dear Visvanathan, I forgot to ask, could you give us her birth data?

Love, Liliana