Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Namaste Elif, This martial/martian blemish refers to the placement of Mars in one of the houses 1/4/7/8/12. Some include 2nd house in this scheme. Mars as a violent and angry planet will damage the house it rests in. All of these house have either to do with the wife, her longevity, or domestic happiness, so the affliction here is undesireable for smooth marital relations. BPHS "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with any benefics." If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." Ideally there must be the same type of combination in both charts to cancel the yoga exactly. 7th house affairs are also seen from the Moon. So also see if this blemish exists from the Moon ascendant. If one chart has it from the Moon and the other the ascendant, then this will also cause cancellation. However there is no need to dwell on this one point. This is just a singular combination that can be overpowered by other strong marriage factors in the chart. If the 7th house is particularily strong in disposition, as are the karakas for marriage and the dasas are favourable, and the compatability is high, then this blemish will not take full effect, but only result in some harsh words or disagreements, or other rectifiable situations. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > - > Elif Gunes <elifgunes@i...> > <gjlist> > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 > what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > > what does it mean ? > > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from martial > > blemish her chart-? > > > > thanks, > > > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET > T.zone;-2:00 > > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Namaste, first of all are you one of these people? are you the male or female? The problem arises first of all due to a basic emotional difficulty between the two charts. The emotions represented by the Moon are placed in 6/8 positions from each other and are in enemy signs, which will lead you two to emotionally upset each other and cause arguments. There is affliction to thhe 7th house of marriage in both charts, but at this time the cause of disturbance is due to the planetary configuration in the chart of the woman. The current cycle running is that of Saturn/Sun, which began 12/12/2000. It is after this time that problems became pronounced. Saturn in the 7th house of marriage is causing affliction to this house, and the aspect on the Moon causes this to be very emotionally upsetting. The subcycle lord is Sun, placed in the 6th house from Saturn, denoting that their is a problem with the houses represented by the two planets. Saturn is placed in the house of marriage, and the Sun is placed in the sign denoting happiness from spouse, which is the 12th. Further the sun is debilitated in the sign of marriage Libra, and is accompanied by one of the most destructive planets for this ascendant. This is the most important reason for the problems. The chart of the male doesn't show these sorts of problems, so either the time is wrong, or the bad effects are being felt primarily by the woman. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > thanks lot Alex, > > > > in our case; > > could be cause a problem for us-me and my lover-? > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > - > > <lostinmotion@h...> > > <gjlist> > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 01:35 > > [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > Namaste Elif, > > > > This martial/martian blemish refers to the placement of Mars in one > > of the houses 1/4/7/8/12. Some include 2nd house in this scheme. Mars > > as a violent and angry planet will damage the house it rests in. All > > of these house have either to do with the wife, her longevity, or > > domestic happiness, so the affliction here is undesireable for smooth > > marital relations. > > > > BPHS > > > > "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, > > 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with > > any benefics." > > > > If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is > > aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from > > his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only > > cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics > > Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. > > > > "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes > > a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this > > combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." > > > > Ideally there must be the same type of combination in both charts to > > cancel the yoga exactly. 7th house affairs are also seen from the > > Moon. So also see if this blemish exists from the Moon ascendant. If > > one chart has it from the Moon and the other the ascendant, then this > > will also cause cancellation. > > > > However there is no need to dwell on this one point. This is just a > > singular combination that can be overpowered by other strong marriage > > factors in the chart. If the 7th house is particularily strong in > > disposition, as are the karakas for marriage and the dasas are > > favourable, and the compatability is high, then this blemish will not > > take full effect, but only result in some harsh words or > > disagreements, or other rectifiable situations. > > > > regards, > > > > Alex J > > > > > > gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > Elif Gunes <elifgunes@i...> > > > <gjlist> > > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 > > > what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > > > > > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > > > > what does it mean ? > > > > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from > > martial > > > > blemish her chart-? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Hello Alex, Again we have another example of a hard and fast rule being nullified in a particular horoscope, showing the necessity to judge each chart on it's merits rather than blindly following rules that are really only intended as guidelines. This native (Male) has Mars inimically placed in 12th, aspected by Jupiter. Contrary to the statement that the aspect from a benefic will reduce this (kujadosha) to little more than a slight discord (in married life), this native has been divorced three times and widowed once. Rahu in 7th is a significant factor with Mars being Rahu's dispositor...this then nullifies the above rule, but as I've pointed out previously, there are often features present that will nullify these (supposed) hard and fast rules...common sense and a thorough examination of the whole chart will serve you better than memorising thousands of rules and yogas. The native referred to was born: Aug 19 1929 Edinburgh, Scotland 13.25 Regards Wendy ALEX WROTE: "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with any benefics." If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Namaste Wendy, Yes the chart must be looked at as a whole, and not just judged on one yoga. That is what I wrote in the bottom of the last post. For example in the chart displayed, we see that even in the combination of Kuja dosha, although there is the aspect of Jupiter, Mars is still placed in enemy's sign, and malefic Saturn's navamsa, making Mars highly inimical in disposition. Secondly he comes under enemy Saturn's aspect, and as he is situated so poorly in enemy house and navamsa, the malefic tendencies predominate. Secondly there is an exchange in navamsa of Mars and Saturn. So despite the aspect of best friend Juptier situated in a benefic sign, and exlated navamsa, the malefic influences on Mars predominates. But even if this combination was nullified by Jupiter's aspect, then there would still be a slew of marital problems, as Rahu sits in Mars' sign in the 7th house, aspected by Mars; Mars the 7th lord goes into the 12th house enemy sign and enemy navamsa, and is aspected by enemy Saturn. The influence on the 7th almost all malefic, from which divorce and loss of spouse can be predicted. The Karaka for partner Venus, although in friend's sign, and aspected by friend, is in the navamsa of Mars, and in the rasi Mars goes into the 12th again indicating loss of spouse. As well Venus is surrounded to the left and right by enemy planets Jupiter and Sun, which only causes obstructions and difficulties to wife. Mars, secondary indicator of marital happiness is under severest affliction. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Hello Alex, > > Again we have another example of a hard and fast rule being nullified in a > particular horoscope, showing the necessity to judge each chart on it's > merits rather than blindly following rules that are really only intended as > guidelines. > > This native (Male) has Mars inimically placed in 12th, aspected by Jupiter. > Contrary to the statement that the aspect from a benefic will reduce this > (kujadosha) to little more than a slight discord (in married life), this > native has been divorced three times and widowed once. > > Rahu in 7th is a significant factor with Mars being Rahu's dispositor...this > then nullifies the above rule, but as I've pointed out previously, there are > often features present that will nullify these (supposed) hard and fast > rules...common sense and a thorough examination of the whole chart will > serve you better than memorising thousands of rules and yogas. > > The native referred to was born: > Aug 19 1929 > Edinburgh, Scotland > 13.25 > > Regards > Wendy > > ALEX WROTE: > "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, > 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with > any benefics." > > If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is > aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from > his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only > cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics > Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. > > "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes > a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this > combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hello Elif, The condition that you speak of is called Kuja Dosha, the Bemish of Mars; it occurs whenever Mars is in the 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, or 12 houses of the horoscope, counted from the Asc, the Moon, and Venus. As Mars is a violent and argumentative planet, when placed in these houses, he does not promote marital harmony and wedded bliss, especially before one that has it is before their 28th year of life. This is when Mars matures. One common technique among Vedic Astrologers is to match up charts of people who have Kuja Dosha with one another; in this way, it is said to cancel out the negative effects of the Dosha. I have seen this to be the case in a broad sense. The reason why I say a braod sense is becase there are many other factors that go into successful horoscope matching, such as the placement of the Moons, Ascs, Suns, and so on; there is the consideration of the Kuta System, Nakshatra qualities, the Navamsa analysis, and of course, the Dasas and Transits. When all of this is factored in, KD is just one of many factors. You can often get a lot of information on one's relationship life from just looking at their chart alone; I have not looked at yours and your boyfriend's but I can tell you that if a person has an afflicted 7 lord, afflicted 7 house, an afflicted Venus and so on, you can be sure that the person will have a bad relationship life no matte what the situation. This is because those patterns represents the results of the Karmas that person has chosen to make in past lifetimes, and it has to be reaped in this life at least to an extent. That is The Law. All that said, there are many ways to alleiviate the Doshas that can occur in a horoscope in terms of Relationship Difficulty; the aforem-mentioned matcing of charts as it relates to KD is one such method. There are many others. Overall, KD is something to pay attention, but it cannot be seen in isolation, for even KD can be nullified under certain circumstances, and, as I have already said, there are many other factors to consider in all of this. I'll jot down your data and your boyfriend, and when I get some time, I'll get back to you on all of this; by the way, on my list, the Pan Astrological Forum, I just posted a horoscope with a very bad case of Kuja Dosha. You may want to check that out. Hope all of that answers your Question. Salaam, Mu ===== Mu'Min M. Bey Western and Vedic Astrologer mumin_bey AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hello Alex, I have an unfair advantage as I know this native quite well and, even though the marriages (bar one) ended in divorce, they were not discordant, fraught with difficulties or anything like that. For the most part the native enjoyed marital harmony in spite of kujadosha, in spite of Saturn's aspect (who, by the way is yogakaraka for this native)...any one of the marriages could have lasted the distance had it not been for the native's own roving eye, insatiable libido, and love of ALL women. Ascendant lord Venus in 9th obviously gave him this great love for women, and it was (obviously) this placement also that blessed him with good women. It's true to say that his wives were the one's to suffer rather than him. I just want to make the point that the native didn't suffer unhappy marriages (as one would expect with such a Mars affliction). Divorce invariably came because of his own infidelity, his own choosing. But you know, the intricate workings of creative intelligence (natural law, karma) whatever you care to name it, never ceases to amaze me...only one of his wives had the karma for "short life" and at the time (when he run the appropriate dasa) both their karma's were fulfilled...could not have been so with any of the other wives who are still living full lives (I believe). Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Namste, So you are feeling the stress more than he is. From what I wrote before it may seem like I was only saying that the fault lay in your chart, but that is not the case. It is only you cycle right now that is difficult. If you look at his chart, then it also shows marital difficulties. Because although there is exaltation of 7th lord in 5th giving him love for you, the planets Saturn and Rahu join, thereby afflicting 7th house marriage significations. Saturn, Mars and Ketu also aspect the 7th house causing damage. The two saving features are the exaltation of 7th lord and karaka of wife Venus, and the aspect of Jupiter on the 7th lord, 7th house and Venus. So the relationship can be saved. As the aspect on the 7th and Venus is from 5th lord Jupiter with Ketu from Virgo, and in the navamsa of Mars with Mercury, this indicates that spiritual energy in the form of mantra can remove the affliction in his chart. I would recommend the worship of Shiva through a vedic mantra for several reasons. You have ability in Mantra denoted by the 5th lord Jupiter in Moolatrikona, in the Navamsa of Mercury in conjunction with Mars and Ketu: 1) It is recommended by Parasar to remove the affliction of Saturn dasa, which in your case afflicts your 7th house. 2) As the antardasa is the Sun's Parasara recommends reciting a mantra of the Sun to remove his affliction. However the Sun is the planet that represents Shiva, so this will cause the same effect. 3) The 12th from your atmakaraka is the Sun's house, and therefore the Sun/Shiva becomes istadevata. 4) In the Vimsamsa Sun/Saturn conjunction is in the 9th house clearly indicating preferance for worship of Shiva. 4) The Sun in debilitation in 12th as 10th lord indicates a curse from the previous life due to an individual of the Sun's energy. Shiva rules the Sun, so propitiation of him will cause removal of the severity of the curse's affliction. Mrityunjaya japa of Shiva should be performed with your chart anyhow, as Saturn in the 7th with 3rd/4th house ownership is not the best for health either, and should have caused some difficulties in the past 3 years. This mantra will protect you from all harm. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > yes > in this case > i m female one.and male is my boy friend. > > > Elif GÜNES > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > - > <lostinmotion@h...> > <gjlist> > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 03:21 > [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > > > Namaste, > > first of all are you one of these people? are you the male or female? > > The problem arises first of all due to a basic emotional difficulty > between the two charts. The emotions represented by the Moon are > placed in 6/8 positions from each other and are in enemy signs, which > will lead you two to emotionally upset each other and cause > arguments. > > There is affliction to thhe 7th house of marriage in both charts, but > at this time the cause of disturbance is due to the planetary > configuration in the chart of the woman. The current cycle running is > that of Saturn/Sun, which began 12/12/2000. It is after this time > that problems became pronounced. > > Saturn in the 7th house of marriage is causing affliction to this > house, and the aspect on the Moon causes this to be very emotionally > upsetting. > > The subcycle lord is Sun, placed in the 6th house from Saturn, > denoting that their is a problem with the houses represented by the > two planets. Saturn is placed in the house of marriage, and the Sun > is placed in the sign denoting happiness from spouse, which is the > 12th. Further the sun is debilitated in the sign of marriage Libra, > and is accompanied by one of the most destructive planets for this > ascendant. > > This is the most important reason for the problems. The chart of the > male doesn't show these sorts of problems, so either the time is > wrong, or the bad effects are being felt primarily by the woman. > > regards, > > Alex J > > gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > > thanks lot Alex, > > > > > > in our case; > > > could be cause a problem for us-me and my lover-? > > > > > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > > - > > > <lostinmotion@h...> > > > <gjlist> > > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 01:35 > > > [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > > > > Namaste Elif, > > > > > > This martial/martian blemish refers to the placement of Mars in > one > > > of the houses 1/4/7/8/12. Some include 2nd house in this scheme. > Mars > > > as a violent and angry planet will damage the house it rests in. > All > > > of these house have either to do with the wife, her longevity, or > > > domestic happiness, so the affliction here is undesireable for > smooth > > > marital relations. > > > > > > BPHS > > > > > > "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, > > > 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated > with > > > any benefics." > > > > > > If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, > or is > > > aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house > from > > > his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can > only > > > cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics > > > Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. > > > > > > "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also > causes > > > a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing > this > > > combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have > effect." > > > > > > Ideally there must be the same type of combination in both charts > to > > > cancel the yoga exactly. 7th house affairs are also seen from the > > > Moon. So also see if this blemish exists from the Moon ascendant. > If > > > one chart has it from the Moon and the other the ascendant, then > this > > > will also cause cancellation. > > > > > > However there is no need to dwell on this one point. This is just > a > > > singular combination that can be overpowered by other strong > marriage > > > factors in the chart. If the 7th house is particularily strong in > > > disposition, as are the karakas for marriage and the dasas are > > > favourable, and the compatability is high, then this blemish will > not > > > take full effect, but only result in some harsh words or > > > disagreements, or other rectifiable situations. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Alex J > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > > > Elif Gunes <elifgunes@i...> > > > > <gjlist> > > > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 > > > > what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > > > > > what does it mean ? > > > > > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from > > > martial > > > > > blemish her chart-? > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET > > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > > > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > > > > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > > > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Namaste Wendy, The position of Mars in the 12th causes affairs, as does Saturn in the 12th from the Moon, Rahu in the 7th many partners, especially as the ascendant is Libra. Very important is the position of Venus in the 2nd house from Navamsa lagna in Aries with malefics and under the rasi dristi of Mars which is a combination for great passions and infidelity. Mars/Saturn combination in 12th, with Rahu in 7th, with Venus in Gemini under Saturn's aspect, and in Aries Navamsa with Saturn, under Mercury's aspect also gives serious deviation from sexual norms. This would give bisexuality and indulgence in orgies, etc. Especially as the dasas were Saturn and Mercury. Has he mentioned any of this? regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Hello Alex, > > I have an unfair advantage as I know this native quite well and, even though > the marriages (bar one) ended in divorce, they were not discordant, fraught > with difficulties or anything like that. For the most part the native > enjoyed marital harmony in spite of kujadosha, in spite of Saturn's aspect > (who, by the way is yogakaraka for this native)...any one of the marriages > could have lasted the distance had it not been for the native's own roving > eye, insatiable libido, and love of ALL women. Ascendant lord Venus in 9th > obviously gave him this great love for women, and it was (obviously) this > placement also that blessed him with good women. It's true to say that his > wives were the one's to suffer rather than him. > > I just want to make the point that the native didn't suffer unhappy > marriages (as one would expect with such a Mars affliction). Divorce > invariably came because of his own infidelity, his own choosing. > > But you know, the intricate workings of creative intelligence (natural law, > karma) whatever you care to name it, never ceases to amaze me...only one of > his wives had the karma for "short life" and at the time (when he run the > appropriate dasa) both their karma's were fulfilled...could not have been so > with any of the other wives who are still living full lives (I believe). > > Regards > Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Alex, You wrote: Mars/Saturn combination in 12th, with Rahu in 7th, with Venus in Gemini under Saturn's aspect, and in Aries Navamsa with Saturn, under Mercury's aspect also gives serious deviation from sexual norms. This would give bisexuality and indulgence in orgies, etc. Especially as the dasas were Saturn and Mercury. Has he mentioned any of this? =========================== Believe me Alex, you couldn't be more wrong. This man has absolutely no deviant tendencies whatsoever, unless you would call an insatiable appetite a deviation...most would just call it being very virile :-) He was/is an extremely conventional person...a pillar of the community in every way, wealthy, sophisticated, charming, and at (almost) 72 he still has the young women falling at his feet...his latest conquest is the age of his Son...each wife is younger than the last. But I can absolutely vouch for the fact that bisexuality or orgies or any other kind of sexual deviation are definitely not part of the package. I should know, I was married to him for 16 yrs. Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Namaste, I apologize for my comments, and hope you forgive me. I wish I could retract them if it has upset you. If I had known it was a relation, I would never have said it. I thought him a client, but I should have known better. I was only applying rules from other books and charts analyzed, so I hope you don't take it personally. Out of curiosity, when were you married to him? When was the marriage and divorce? warm regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Alex, You wrote: > > Mars/Saturn combination in 12th, with Rahu in 7th, with Venus in > Gemini under Saturn's aspect, and in Aries Navamsa with Saturn, under > Mercury's aspect also gives serious deviation from sexual norms. This > would give bisexuality and indulgence in orgies, etc. Especially as > the dasas were Saturn and Mercury. Has he mentioned any of this? > =========================== > > Believe me Alex, you couldn't be more wrong. This man has absolutely no > deviant tendencies whatsoever, unless you would call an insatiable appetite > a deviation...most would just call it being very virile :-) > > He was/is an extremely conventional person...a pillar of the community in > every way, wealthy, sophisticated, charming, and at (almost) 72 he still has > the young women falling at his feet...his latest conquest is the age of his > Son...each wife is younger than the last. But I can absolutely vouch for the > fact that bisexuality or orgies or any other kind of sexual deviation are > definitely not part of the package. > > I should know, I was married to him for 16 yrs. > > Regards > Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 - Elif Gunes <elifgunes <gjlist> 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 what does it mean martial blemish? > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > what does it mean ? > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from martial > blemish her chart-? > > thanks, > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET T.zone;-2:00 > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > T.zone;-2:00 > > Elif GÜNES > > e mail ; elifgunes > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 > thanks lot Alex, > > in our case; > could be cause a problem for us-me and my lover-? > > > > Elif GÜNES > > e mail ; elifgunes > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > - > <lostinmotion > <gjlist> > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 01:35 > [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > > > Namaste Elif, > > This martial/martian blemish refers to the placement of Mars in one > of the houses 1/4/7/8/12. Some include 2nd house in this scheme. Mars > as a violent and angry planet will damage the house it rests in. All > of these house have either to do with the wife, her longevity, or > domestic happiness, so the affliction here is undesireable for smooth > marital relations. > > BPHS > > "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, > 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with > any benefics." > > If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is > aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from > his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only > cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics > Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. > > "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes > a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this > combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." > > Ideally there must be the same type of combination in both charts to > cancel the yoga exactly. 7th house affairs are also seen from the > Moon. So also see if this blemish exists from the Moon ascendant. If > one chart has it from the Moon and the other the ascendant, then this > will also cause cancellation. > > However there is no need to dwell on this one point. This is just a > singular combination that can be overpowered by other strong marriage > factors in the chart. If the 7th house is particularily strong in > disposition, as are the karakas for marriage and the dasas are > favourable, and the compatability is high, then this blemish will not > take full effect, but only result in some harsh words or > disagreements, or other rectifiable situations. > > regards, > > Alex J > > > gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > > > - > > Elif Gunes <elifgunes@i...> > > <gjlist> > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 > > what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > > > what does it mean ? > > > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from > martial > > > blemish her chart-? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hello Alex, Have no fear, absolutely no need for you to apologise at all :-), believe me! It's been over 20 yrs. Dates etc Alex, I'd have to dig out divorce certificates etc, as (like Mani) the memory's not as brilliant as it should be. Suffice it to say that I was very, very young (barely 17 I think) when this married (unknown to me) God swept me off my feet, and I think I was around 34 when he swept his next wife off her feet (she was the one to die). I'm pretty sure that both he and I were in Jupiter dasas...in fact (for me) it was the whole of my Jupiter dasa (I think)...12th lord JU exalted in 7th conjunct Rahu (both in nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury, in 9th), so very happy prosperous years, certainly not a marriage fraught with conflict, the opposite in fact...he was a wonderful husband. Our children were born '64 & '65..... But it's all very much water under the bridge these days. The inner (religious) life has been the centre of my attention since even before then...all this "other stuff" is little more than detached observation of karma...more so every day! I think this is also a subtle consequence of getting older even without the religious life :-)...IT'S ALL MAYA!! Best Regards Wendy You wrote: ========== Namaste, I apologize for my comments, and hope you forgive me. I wish I could retract them if it has upset you. If I had known it was a relation, I would never have said it. I thought him a client, but I should have known better. I was only applying rules from other books and charts analyzed, so I hope you don't take it personally. Out of curiosity, when were you married to him? When was the marriage and divorce? warm regards, Alex J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Namaste Wendy, I am releived that I have not caused any insult. I am interested in the effect of his Jupiter Mahadasa. How was the Vipareeta rajayoga? Jupiter seems very weak here in the 8th in enemy's sign, flanked by enemies. Was there wealth? Saturn in the 12th from Moon causes separation from wife and womanizing. But what was the effect of this yogakaraka in the 12th from Moon, and 11th from Arudha Lagna? was there success involving foreigners? regards, Alex J gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@o...> wrote: > Hello Alex, > > Have no fear, absolutely no need for you to apologise at all :-), believe > me! It's been over 20 yrs. > > Dates etc Alex, I'd have to dig out divorce certificates etc, as (like Mani) > the memory's not as brilliant as it should be. Suffice it to say that I was > very, very young (barely 17 I think) when this married (unknown to me) God > swept me off my feet, and I think I was around 34 when he swept his next > wife off her feet (she was the one to die). I'm pretty sure that both he and > I were in Jupiter dasas...in fact (for me) it was the whole of my Jupiter > dasa (I think)...12th lord JU exalted in 7th conjunct Rahu (both in > nakshatra of 9th lord Mercury, in 9th), so very happy prosperous years, > certainly not a marriage fraught with conflict, the opposite in fact...he > was a wonderful husband. Our children were born '64 & '65..... > > But it's all very much water under the bridge these days. The inner > (religious) life has been the centre of my attention since even before > then...all this "other stuff" is little more than detached observation of > karma...more so every day! I think this is also a subtle consequence of > getting older even without the religious life :-)...IT'S ALL MAYA!! > > Best Regards > Wendy > > You wrote: > ========== > Namaste, > > I apologize for my comments, and hope you forgive me. I wish I could > retract them if it has upset you. If I had known it was a relation, I > would never have said it. I thought him a client, but I should have > known better. > > I was only applying rules from other books and charts analyzed, so I > hope you don't take it personally. > > Out of curiosity, when were you married to him? When was the marriage > and divorce? > > warm regards, > > Alex J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Alex wrote: =========== I am interested in the effect of his Jupiter Mahadasa. How was the Vipareeta rajayoga? Jupiter seems very weak here in the 8th in enemy's sign, flanked by enemies. Was there wealth? ============== Alex, Finances were always on the increase, rarely any real shortage. Gain & loss of children were both there. Jupiter exalted in Navamsha, D-10 etc, life (for him) was fairly smooth. Jupiter in Moon's nakshatra, blessed with home, home comforts, vehicles, etc... You wrote: ========== Saturn in the 12th from Moon causes separation from wife and womanizing. But what was the effect of this yogakaraka in the 12th from Moon, and 11th from Arudha Lagna? was there success involving foreigners? ========================= Alex, Yogakaraka Saturn in 3rd (actions, motivation, self-effort, etc) certainly brought (through his own determined efforts) ever increasing success. The effects of ANAPHA YOGA certainly manifested: "One with Anapha yoga will be a king, will be free from diseases, virtuous(?), famous, charming and happy". Loss of spouse (death), gain of spouse, frequent travels abroad and great wealth have been the flavour of Mercury dasa. Regards Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 yes in this case i m female one.and male is my boy friend. Elif GÜNES e mail ; elifgunes web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome - <lostinmotion <gjlist> 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 03:21 [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? Namaste, first of all are you one of these people? are you the male or female? The problem arises first of all due to a basic emotional difficulty between the two charts. The emotions represented by the Moon are placed in 6/8 positions from each other and are in enemy signs, which will lead you two to emotionally upset each other and cause arguments. There is affliction to thhe 7th house of marriage in both charts, but at this time the cause of disturbance is due to the planetary configuration in the chart of the woman. The current cycle running is that of Saturn/Sun, which began 12/12/2000. It is after this time that problems became pronounced. Saturn in the 7th house of marriage is causing affliction to this house, and the aspect on the Moon causes this to be very emotionally upsetting. The subcycle lord is Sun, placed in the 6th house from Saturn, denoting that their is a problem with the houses represented by the two planets. Saturn is placed in the house of marriage, and the Sun is placed in the sign denoting happiness from spouse, which is the 12th. Further the sun is debilitated in the sign of marriage Libra, and is accompanied by one of the most destructive planets for this ascendant. This is the most important reason for the problems. The chart of the male doesn't show these sorts of problems, so either the time is wrong, or the bad effects are being felt primarily by the woman. regards, Alex J gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > thanks lot Alex, > > > > in our case; > > could be cause a problem for us-me and my lover-? > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > - > > <lostinmotion@h...> > > <gjlist> > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 01:35 > > [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > Namaste Elif, > > > > This martial/martian blemish refers to the placement of Mars in one > > of the houses 1/4/7/8/12. Some include 2nd house in this scheme. Mars > > as a violent and angry planet will damage the house it rests in. All > > of these house have either to do with the wife, her longevity, or > > domestic happiness, so the affliction here is undesireable for smooth > > marital relations. > > > > BPHS > > > > "The woman born becomes widowed if Mars is in the 12th, 1st, 4th, > > 7th, 8th from the ascendant and is unaspected by or associated with > > any benefics." > > > > If Mars is placed conjunct a benefic, exchanges with a benefic, or is > > aspected by a benefic, or has benefics in the 2nd and 12th house from > > his position, then the yoga does not operate strongly, and can only > > cause slight discord. Likewise the position of Mars in a benefics > > Rasi and Navamsa reduces the severity of the combination. > > > > "The combination which causes the woman to become a widow also causes > > a male native to become a widower. If a man and woman possessing this > > combination join in marriage, the combination ceases to have effect." > > > > Ideally there must be the same type of combination in both charts to > > cancel the yoga exactly. 7th house affairs are also seen from the > > Moon. So also see if this blemish exists from the Moon ascendant. If > > one chart has it from the Moon and the other the ascendant, then this > > will also cause cancellation. > > > > However there is no need to dwell on this one point. This is just a > > singular combination that can be overpowered by other strong marriage > > factors in the chart. If the 7th house is particularily strong in > > disposition, as are the karakas for marriage and the dasas are > > favourable, and the compatability is high, then this blemish will not > > take full effect, but only result in some harsh words or > > disagreements, or other rectifiable situations. > > > > regards, > > > > Alex J > > > > > > gjlist, "Elif Gunes" <elifgunes@s...> wrote: > > > > > > - > > > Elif Gunes <elifgunes@i...> > > > <gjlist> > > > 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 23:11 > > > what does it mean martial blemish? > > > > > > > > > > mars in the 12nd house is it martial blemish in a man chart? > > > > what does it mean ? > > > > and could be a problem in realitonship with a woman -free from > > martial > > > > blemish her chart-? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > woman birth data ;19.oct.1972 istanbul turkey 09:55 AM EET > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > man birth data ; 02.february.1969 karabuk turkey 03:00 AM EET > > > > T.zone;-2:00 > > > > > > > > Elif GÜNES > > > > > > > > e mail ; elifgunes@s... > > > > web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 thanks for information Mu'min Bey, i hope you will give some explain for my case-me and boy friend- and i will check your example in your forum. Elif GÜNES e mail ; elifgunes web site; www.welcome.to/elifshome - Mu'Min Bey <mumin_bey <gjlist> 26 Nisan 2001 Perþembe 20:18 Re: [gjlist] Re: what does it mean martial blemish? > Hello Elif, > > The condition that you speak of is called Kuja Dosha, > the Bemish of Mars; it occurs whenever Mars is in the > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, or 12 houses of the horoscope, counted > from the Asc, the Moon, and Venus. As Mars is a > violent and argumentative planet, when placed in these > houses, he does not promote marital harmony and wedded > bliss, especially before one that has it is before > their 28th year of life. This is when Mars matures. > > One common technique among Vedic Astrologers is to > match up charts of people who have Kuja Dosha with one > another; in this way, it is said to cancel out the > negative effects of the Dosha. I have seen this to be > the case in a broad sense. > > The reason why I say a braod sense is becase there are > many other factors that go into successful horoscope > matching, such as the placement of the Moons, Ascs, > Suns, and so on; there is the consideration of the > Kuta System, Nakshatra qualities, the Navamsa > analysis, and of course, the Dasas and Transits. When > all of this is factored in, KD is just one of many > factors. > > You can often get a lot of information on one's > relationship life from just looking at their chart > alone; I have not looked at yours and your boyfriend's > but I can tell you that if a person has an afflicted 7 > lord, afflicted 7 house, an afflicted Venus and so on, > you can be sure that the person will have a bad > relationship life no matte what the situation. This is > because those patterns represents the results of the > Karmas that person has chosen to make in past > lifetimes, and it has to be reaped in this life at > least to an extent. That is The Law. > > All that said, there are many ways to alleiviate the > Doshas that can occur in a horoscope in terms of > Relationship Difficulty; the aforem-mentioned matcing > of charts as it relates to KD is one such method. > There are many others. > > Overall, KD is something to pay attention, but it > cannot be seen in isolation, for even KD can be > nullified under certain circumstances, and, as I have > already said, there are many other factors to consider > in all of this. > > I'll jot down your data and your boyfriend, and when I > get some time, I'll get back to you on all of this; by > the way, on my list, the Pan Astrological Forum, I > just posted a horoscope with a very bad case of Kuja > Dosha. You may want to check that out. > > Hope all of that answers your Question. > > Salaam, > Mu > > > > ===== > Mu'Min M. Bey > Western and Vedic Astrologer > mumin_bey > AOL IM Screen Name: JediMu > Join the Pan Astrological Forum, Where Freedom in Astrological Thought Lives! Just send a blank email to panastroforum- > > > > Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions./ > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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